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Due to the EPAs push for tighter emissions they have gone after Ford directly. Instead of facing fines Fords CEO and the EPA has agreed to the following.

In the next few years Ford will be phasing out all dealerships. Beginning by an estimated 2025 Ford will be offering direct manufacturer vehicles basically all vehicles will be customer spec ordered vehicles. By 2030 they are intending on all of their dealerships becoming service and parts stores.

Ford racing will be the only expected performance options offered. All upgrades must be done at a dealership and approved by ford. So no more bolting on blowers and loading a tune as it must be sanctioned by ford. Until the aftermarket catches up.

Ford has already increased security on their PCMs and is further restricting powertrain control information to its own engineers. Its expected in the next year no more aftermarket commercial programming information will be available directly from ford.

So looks like weve all got some work to do to keep up.

Do you have any reference sources? Would like to read up on this.
The writing has been on the wall for a while. The dealer I work for hasn't had much inventory for over 2 yrs.

No. They expect to make a public announcement sometime after the new year from what Im hearing.

Found this article but it's about the EVs. One issue is in some states a dealership is required. Unless Ford is keeping their dealerships as also a distribution location. https://insideevs.com/news/610114/ford- ... hip-rules/

It does not surprise me one bit. Almost all manufacturers are going to be following the Tesla model; where there is really no "dealership" in it's current form, rather only a service center.

I work for a dealership (non automotive) and have seen this heading that direction for a few years now. If a customer wants something, he's gotta show up and order it. We carry very little in stock. There are enough stock units so that the consumer can get a general idea of what to expect; but as far as having a lot full of inventory, that went away in about 2020. Almost everything is special order only.

Now the downside to the tesla model is that there are going to be many challenges to work through. The days of test driving a new vehicle are about to be over with. If you want one you want one, if you are not sure what you want, you're gonna have to just put a deposit down on something that you don't know anything about, and that in itself can hurt sales for some folks, particularly older folks. I'm pushing 50, and I can kind of understand how the older generation feels about this. Most of the younger generation (late teens through thirties) have no preference here, they're used to "order now get it later and hope for the best".

Salesmen, in their current form, are going to have to make big changes. The days of actually pushing a consumer into a vehicle are numbered; a lot of folks that show up nowadays know exactly what they want when they walk through the door of our little dealership, they walk to a sales person and say I want this, and I'm ready to make a deposit. But this begs the question, are salespeople in their current form going to disappear? I really don't think so, but again it depends much on how the manufacturers and dealers (aka service centers) handle this whole ordeal. I'm on the service side of things and the demand for repair/maintenance is always going to be there in some shape or form. Our salespeople are kinda nervous about their future, however.

And on the other end, if things go the way I think they will, in other words, if you want a new vehicle you get on the computer, place the order, then go to a dealer and give em a deposit, the next step is....waiting....I ordered a new vehicle in MARCH of 2022, and it has yet to show up. Now if I had a vehicle that ran/drove currently it is no huge deal, other than the anxiety of waiting, but in my case, my other vehicle is dead, costs more to fix than it's worth, so I had to run out and buy a $3500 pile of steaming feces to get by with for, what was supposed to be about 45 days....and here we are almost 120 days later, and I'm still driving (and fixing) this turd. This waiting crap is going to have to be addressed, regardless of what type vehicle it is (EV or ICE). People can't afford nor are they willing to wait. Dealer is certainly not going to refund my $3500, nor are they willing to offer $3500 trade-in value (I mean this thing really is rough, but it's all that could be found at the time), nor reduce the MSRP by that much to offset. It's a bad deal all around, and it HAS to change for this to work efficiently for both the buyer and the seller; which I believe needs to start at the top (manufacturer).

as far as some states requiring a dealership, I don't think it has much affect. Besides, laws are made so that they can be changed, and fairly easily.

Saw this article today and it offers some explanation. Now that vehicles have Ford’s Fully-Networked Vehicle (FNV), encryption/security is the reason they are giving for keeping tuners out. I assume this is in preparation for vehicles to be connected to the internet.

https://www.carscoops.com/2022/10/tuner ... d-mustang/

road and track plagiarized me used my own words

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a4159 ... difficult/

It all sounds just dandy until someone breaks into the encryption and shuts all Ford motor vehicles down all over North America or does something much worse to the Ford integrated electrical network. The Federal EPA needs to be defunded. Every state in America has an EPA that is also responsible for doing economic impact statements before any rules take effect. The Federal EPA has no such requirements.
That balloon from China could have had an EMP device inside it and none of us would be having this conversation now and Ford's entire computer system would be in ruins now. EMP bursts are why the B-52s still have vacuum tubes in it's critical communications systems because they are unaffected by an Electro-Magnetic Pulse.

This is a great chance to write letters to the US Congress and get them to take the decision making away from the EPA. This is another example of a government entity writing laws when they don't have the authority to do so; forcing others to do what they wish they could do. If yo are in the tuning industry complain to your representatives.