FBFG2 strategy?

European strategy specific for 2004 ford mustang euro spec but also modified by SVT and used on the 03/04 cobra. Can be used on all 2002-2004 mustang v8 and v6 manual and automatics. Supports automatic 4r70w control. Can be used on 2001-2004 ford F-150 4.6 / 5.4 ecu's if configured correctly as well.
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FBFG2 strategy?

Unread post by Cougar281 »

I've not been tinkering much and happened to drop in (apparently the forum went through a reset as my account was no longer around), and I noticed that the FBFG2 strategy is no longer listed. I've been using the FBFG2_17111.xdf definition that appears to be from 2017 or 2018, which has been working fine, but I was surprised to see pretty much no references to it. In searching the downloads for 'FBFG2', it seems that maybe FBGI0 replaced it here? If not, has FBFG2 gone 'closed source'? If FBGI0 has replaced it, what are the benefits to switching the strategy?
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Re: FBFG2 strategy?

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yep fbgi0 replaced it

better support and more features

If your using my old fbfg2 from jan of 17 suffice to say Ive made some major improvements in the last 5 years.
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Re: FBFG2 strategy?

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Awesome - I'll have to see if I can manage to migrate over. I fiddled with it a little and uploaded your base MGZT BIN to my QH, disabled PATS and through some trial and error, got the fuel pump working right - I'm driving an 'old school' return system with a simple relay which doesn't play nice with the stock 2004 PCM calibration. With the FBFG2 strategy PTP2 cal and the patches available, it worked like 95% - the PCM was properly driving the relay and pump, but it wouldn't shut off after a second or three - it would just keep running at key on. With the MGZT and some changes, it's behaving like stock. I'll have to try 'porting' my changes from the PTP2 tune over to the MGZT tune.
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post both your files and ill convert it over no problem
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Re: FBFG2 strategy?

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I think I've copied all my changes over from the PTP2 to the MGZT, but there are two things possibly remaining - I realized that the MGZT is a manual tune - as there are automatic transmission shift tables that are populated, is the only thing I need to change the 'AUTO_TRANS_SW' from 'unset' to 'set'? The other thing is when I compared my PTP2 tune to a stock one, there are a lot of 'Item not defined' differences, that I'm assuming are related to some of the patches - the one I'm scratching my head over is 'IC Fan Reassigned Pin #69'. On my tune, that's '01' and on the stock PTP2, it's '00', and the patch says 'Indeterminate: data does not match', but the schematics show pin 69 being A/C cutout for both the original Cougar PCM and the Mustang PCM, although a 'pin reassignment' rings a bell for some reason.
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Re: FBFG2 strategy?

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decipha wrote: 2022 May 04, 23:12 post both your files and ill convert it over no problem
Thanks, you posted while I was posting my last - I think I got most of it, but I'll post up my current PTP tune tomorrow for a sanity check.
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Re: FBFG2 strategy?

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Here are the two tunes I've been working with. The PTP2 is the one that's been in the car and it runs pretty much like stock on that tune. The MGZT one is with the changes needed to get the car to run, but I have a feeling there is more I need to change as while it runs, it gets a little rough and I think it is running rich as it starts to stumble a bit at idle and the exhaust reeks.
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Re: FBFG2 strategy?

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You inverted the AC_RLY_IS_NC scalar which is part of that reassignment code. You didn't use the reassignment code its just showing that because you changed a section thats within what that code overwrites no biggie.

Here you go.
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Re: FBFG2 strategy?

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Awesome, thanks. Out of curiosity, what else does the 'IC Fan Reassigned Pin #69' code overwrite? I'm assuming the file you attached is the PTP2/FBFG2 tune scripted over to the FBGI0 strategy? When I compare it to the MGZT tune I've been fiddling with, there are a LOT of differences (TunerPro says 10,445 bytes different).
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Re: FBFG2 strategy?

Unread post by decipha »

i overwrite the AC_RLY_IS_NC code but you never used it so its irrelevant

no, its a stock auto file with some of your minimal changes

mgzt is a manual trans tune, that file is an auto trans tune hence all the differences
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