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CBAZA or CBAZ0

Unread postby dleach1407 » Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:19 pm

I am building a 57 f100 and am dropping a 302w or 351w based engine into it with a 4r70w. Since I am assembling the engine and trans control system from scratch I am trying to decide which strategy would best suit my needs so I can decide on the ECU. I already have a QH and BE. My build will consist of the following:

302 or 351 (have a couple 302s laying around)
F cam
Remote TFI distributor
High Rise intake drilled for bosch style injectors
4 barrel throttle body (PWM IAC)
2600-2800 stall converter
4r70w from a 96 explorer
Aluminum heads around 190-205cc depending on block choice
ECU controlled electric fan preferred
HPX MAF
Needs to support A/C (shouldnt be an issue)
Twin Turbos are the eventual goal though single turbo or blower could potentially happen

Ive read threads that the 4r70w can be controlled by the 94-95 mustang ecu with changes to the gear ratios and potentially other changes like pressure changes. I havent been able to find info on what those settings are and honestly I know nothing about automatics regarding tuning them. I just rebuilt the trans so I dont want to burn it up because I didnt tune it correct or have the proper settings in the ECU. Every mustang i have tuned and owned were all t5 cars. My mustang is a turbo 331 T5 combo. I read on the Moates site today that the 94-95 F150 came standard with the 4r70w and is supported by Moates as well. Can someone tell me the positives and negatives of each or if one would be a better choice for me? I know for sure one positive of the CBAZA is that there is the simplified base tune I am using in the mustang (T4M2), and datalogging appears to only be supported on the CBAZA. I dont think the same tune or logging exists for the CBAZ0
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Re: CBAZA or CBAZ0

Unread postby decipha » Sat Sep 08, 2018 6:24 am

yea sailorbob has both of those complete defs for BE

but regardless, for anyone doing a retro mod I highly recommend using a 2003/2004 luxury sedan ecu it is the most supported and the newest not only that its the most plentiful in the yards and cheapest.

Not to mention the obdii port makes life easier for reading codes and doing simple checks etc..

all u need is to toss on a 35 tooth reluctor on the crank along with a crank sensor and a cam sensor. If you get an explorer 5.0L engine then it will have all of it already.

U can snatch the ecu from the yard along with the engine harness and obdii port

go through the harness with the pinout guide on the homepage and simplify it down, get rid of anything your not using to clean it up. Not to mention any unused outputs can be reassigned to serve other functions if you become a premium member.

Make sure u snatch the ford coils from the yard u get the ecu and harness out of. Simply rip the covers off and u can toss an ls1 mini plug wire on there.

Presto! It is just that easy.

Enjoy.
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Re: CBAZA or CBAZ0

Unread postby dleach1407 » Sat Sep 08, 2018 11:25 am

Forgive my ignorance. Does the luxury ecu have the j3 port? Also how much different is the tuning strategy from CBAZA? Im really familiar with the 87-95 mustang ECUs... Just wondering how much of a learning curve it will be. Ironically I have a complete 96 explorer engine and drivetrain accessories and all. I am pretty sure the ECU harness is there too. I was just trying to avoid those ugly giant ass coil packs and I already have a spare 95 distributor. I know it sounds stupid but the coilpack mounted on the engine looks horrible to me but it sounds like your recommending I use the coilpacks from the luxury car? I'm not really opposed to the idea and I do already have just about everything. Also when you say luxury car can you give me an example? Are you talking Crown Vics or more like Town cars? Is it possible to add a flex fuel sensor to the luxury ecu? I would love to be able to scale the tune based on ethanol content or when i switch from e85 to gas when i go on a road trip. Also what does one do to become a "Premium Member" I use this site all the time..
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Re: CBAZA or CBAZ0

Unread postby decipha » Sat Sep 08, 2018 12:12 pm

yes it has a j3

tuning all 1983-2018 fords is basically the same

not much learning curve

not coil packs, 8 individual coils near plugs with short ls1 plug wires ~6 inches in length

2003/2004 crown vic, town car, marauder, grand marquis, continental, etc... they all have the same ecu, 2004 preferred as its almost guaranteed to be the faster 27mhz processor, some of the 03s have the slower 24mhz but its all the same regardless but might as well get the best

they don't have support for flex fuel sensors from the factory but it could be coded in

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Re: CBAZA or CBAZ0

Unread postby dleach1407 » Sat Sep 08, 2018 2:08 pm

Thanks, I was planning on tuning the car myself. I am assuming the only way to add the flex fuel functionality is to pay for a remote tune? I was hoping to have the feature added and then dial it in myself but we can discuss that through PM if you would like. I will start looking for the ecu and wiring harness I need. Is there a list of ecu codes that I would look for? i tried checking the site and I didnt find anything. I also checked inventory at the local upullandpay yard and there is only 1 2003 crown vic so its going to take some time to source those parts. Im not expecting to have this thing running for a few months so I have some time.
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Re: CBAZA or CBAZ0

Unread postby decipha » Sat Sep 08, 2018 7:12 pm

cool i always recommend DIY tuning as it is most rewarding

yep that's the only way, I am working on but it will be a good while before I can get back to it. Your best bet would be to just wait til I finish it and release it free.

no need for a list of ecu codes just simply get an ecu out of any 2003/2004 luxury sedan they are all the same.

If you need to verify which ecu you have the eec-v master hardware list at the top of this section lists the hardware codes

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Re: CBAZA or CBAZ0

Unread postby dleach1407 » Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:42 pm

Thanks for the list.. With the UpNp yard sometimes the wrong parts are in cars so its best to verify before I pay and leave. I was reading through the supported options of the luxury car ecu and it says it supports MAP sensor. Is it possible to eliminate the maf and run speed density with this ECU? Im assuming no but i figured its worth asking...The reason I ask is because while it is N/A, I dont want to have to run a carb hat and maf.. I would much rather just run an air cleaner so it looks more "Vintage".. well, as vintage as it can with coil on plug, fuel rails and no distributor :-). Im running the short deka 80s to reduce the look of the fuel injection as much as possible.
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Re: CBAZA or CBAZ0

Unread postby decipha » Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:05 pm

no its not that kind of map, it can be done but i wouldn't do it, not worth the time and effort to make it work as well

you can run it fine without a maf just force it in to maf failure state and dial in the failed maf, I've done it before no prob, RZASA would be the best candidate to do it the best

you'd have to live with slight fuel inconsistencies but the hegos will take care of closed loop fueling no prob
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Re: CBAZA or CBAZ0

Unread postby dleach1407 » Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:47 pm

Very interesting idea.. I think ill have to try and give it a shot. I figured the Map was most likely used for atmospheric pressure/baro readings for the ecu to make corrections. The junkyard got a couple 04s in this week so I am going to try and run down and get those parts this weekend. Ive been putting in a lot of time on the truck and things are coming along faster than I thought they would. Ill have the engine and trans mounted early next week so I can then start on getting things situated for the ecu and wiring. Oh yea.. one more question. Will I need to change the transmission sensor to the later version? I have the analog version and not the digital version. I really appreciate all of your help.
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Re: CBAZA or CBAZ0

Unread postby decipha » Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:52 pm

yea swap to the newer digital mlps. All of the MLPSs are the same any 98+ should have a digital one you can swipe. Might as well snatch it from the vehicle you snatch the ecu out of.
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Re: CBAZA or CBAZ0

Unread postby dleach1407 » Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:58 pm

cool, ill get one while I am there.
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Re: CBAZA or CBAZ0

Unread postby dleach1407 » Sat Sep 15, 2018 12:50 pm

I grabbed an ecu, engine harness and an MLPS today but I have a couple questions about the ecu portion of harness. I saw the engine harness connects to the body harness which has the ecu plug and what I am assuming is a relay box like the 94/95 mustangs. Do I need the whole body harness too? If not, do I just cut out the ecu plug after the body side of the harness basically keeping from the ecu to the engine harness plugs? I didnt grab coils.. They want 10$ a piece for them LOL... Brand new a whole set is 40$
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Re: CBAZA or CBAZ0

Unread postby decipha » Sat Sep 15, 2018 4:02 pm

where do u get a whole set for $40 new? Usually they are at least that for each one for knock offs.

Go through the harness and clean it up, the pin outs are listed on the homepage for RZASA, keep only those you need

I should have told you to snatch the obdii port from under the dash as well so you could wire that up too, no big deal
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Re: CBAZA or CBAZ0

Unread postby dleach1407 » Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:33 pm

So then i need the ecu connector from the body harness? The coils I am looking at are not factor Motorcraft ones.. They are 3rd party.. I did a google search and came up with more hits than i can count.. Many are 40$ or less for a complete set. Is there a legend for the list of connections? I am able to figure out many of them but there are quite a few I do not understand the code for the connection. A few examples would be scp+, scp-, dtr2, dtr4, FPDM... There are quite a few of them I have never heard of..
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Re: CBAZA or CBAZ0

Unread postby dleach1407 » Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:52 pm

The ones I am struggling with are listed below. I am sure there are others but these are the ones that stand out. I put stuff next to the ones I think I know.

12 TCIL
13 DLC
15 SCP
16 SCP+
17 RX
18 TX
19 CHT LAMP
29 TCS (OVERDRIVE SWITCH?)
34 DTR TR1
37 TFT
40 FP MON/ RP RELAY (RAIL PRESSURE RELAY?)
43 FUEL LEVEL
47 DPFE
49 DTR TR2
50 DTR TR4
54 TCC
55 KAP 12V+
62 TANK PRESSURE
63 frp (FUEL RAIL PRESSURE?)
65 DPFE
66 CHT (HEAD TEMP?)
80 FPDM
84 OSS
92 BOO/BPP SW
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Re: CBAZA or CBAZ0

Unread postby decipha » Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:02 pm

iyes u need the harness, all u need is the ecu connector and the wiring going to the engine, everything else you can cut as your going to be cleaning it up anyway

the two scp wires go to the obdii port

dtr2 and dtr4 go to the mlps digital switches

fpdm is fuel pump diagnostic module which is for returnless that u wont be using

nope i never put a legend together never thought of it

check out the carb to efi swap write up i have the specifics in there

from your list

trans contril indicator lamp - dont need
dlc goes to pin 13 of the obdii port dont need
rx and tx is for pats e module dont need
cyl head temp overheat lamp u can wire up as a spare
trans control sw for shifter od on/off
dtr tr1 is mlps switch 1
trans fluid temp
fp relay goea to just that
fuel level dont need
dpfe is egr dont need
dtr2 and 4 mlps
torque converter clutch to trans
keep alive power 12+ battery fused
fuel tank pres dont need
fuel rail pressure sensor is a good one to hook up, will need a fuel rail pressure sensor from a ford and an adapter
dpfe is egr dont need
cyl head temp sensor dont need
fuel pump diag monitor dont need
oss is oss on trans
brake on off switch to unlock conv when u hit brake dont need
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Re: CBAZA or CBAZ0

Unread postby dleach1407 » Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:24 am

Thanks, I did grab the body wiring harness from the relay box to the square plug on the engine harness and Ive aleady removed all the sheathing and started depinning. The only thing I dont have is the OBD2 port which I will get the next time. Are the 3rd party coils junk?

I looked over the article you recommended but I have a couple more pins I am not sure on. I have identified about 95% of them, i just need verification on a couple and explanation on a couple others.

Pin7 Alternator. regulator pin 3?

Pin 41 Alternator Low Charge SW regulator pin 2?

Pin 8 FRT. meaning and use?

Pin 32 Power Steering pressure. Is there a benefit to this on a V8? I tend to set my idle pretty low and I am assuming this would help with bumping up the idle slightly when turning the steering wheel?

Pin 66 CHT/ECT. Is this the cyl head temp sensor? There is another ECT on pin 42 so I assume this is not needed

Do you know of anywhere I can source the ECU pins? There are going to be a few circuits I want to run without any interruptions. I plan on running shielded MAF wiring as an example and I would like to make one continuous run.
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Re: CBAZA or CBAZ0

Unread postby decipha » Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:55 am

You cannot get any better than oem motorcraft ignition components. Everything else is junk. Just keep in mind that if a coil fails you can destroy the engine.

dont need any of the alternator pins

frt is fuel rail temp, dont need

psp dont need, yes it gives it a touch more air when the power steering is loaded, u can toss a power steering pressure switch on your ps line if u want but its not needed

cyl head temp isn't needed just ECT

you can source them from your harness, just re-use one you remove
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