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Getting a new trans

Unread postby RIKIL » Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:23 pm

OK, so I think I am finally able to pull the trigger and get a new trans. I have done some thinking about the power my motor puts out and I think it is around 420hp to flywheel. With that said, my plan is to ditch my E4OD and buy a 4r70W from monster transmission. They have one rated to 460 hp that I would get. They can also adapt it for my transfer case.

When I get it I plan to remove my Baumann transmission controller and just have my U4P2 tune control the transmission. The gear ratios on the 4R are a little higher in 1st and second so that may benefit me.

What I have left to find out is about some of the parts I need for the 4R, like if my current cross member will work, I also don't yet know about the speed sensor, that seems to be in the 4R but with the E4OD it isn't my speed sensor is in my diff. Also need to work out cooling lines if any modifications need to be done there. Oh, and drive shafts.

How does this plan sound? Am I missing anything?

I'll probably pull the trigger on this in the next 30 days unless I have a reason not to.

D - would like your assistance in tuning this if you have time.
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Re: Getting a new trans

Unread postby decipha » Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:49 pm

cross member would need to be modified, sometimes you can flip them around and they line up but otherwise just figure on fabbing up a mount no problem

the speed sensor in the dif goes to your cluster for your speedo doesn't go to the ecu

the vss and oss on the 4r you will need to run to the ecu

the e4 usually has 3/8 lines and the 4r 1/4. You can use a compression fitting adapter ($25 - special order) or you can just use rubber hose and slip it over both ends and done. Be sure to double clamp it on both ends and in a straight piece of line, if the rubber has has a bend with trans fluid going through it they usually let loose over time

driveshaft on the 4r should be about 7 inches longer or so than the e4 since the trans is shorter. If its a long wheel base truck you'll most likely need a 2-piece shaft with a center support bearing. You may be able to find a solid 1-piece aluminum 4" diameter shaft otherwise 2 piece it if its over 63-67 inches or so.

yea no prob
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Re: Getting a new trans

Unread postby SlowBox » Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:49 pm

I absolutely would not fuck with Monster Transmission. Do a little research on their product and customer service before you click 'pay' at least. Dan at SilverFox sells 4Rs rated for up to 950ftlbs if you're making big power. I'm about to buy a 4R from a local yard and build it myself.
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Re: Getting a new trans

Unread postby RIKIL » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:17 pm

Interesting you say that...one of the reasons why I am looking remote for a trans is because when I was living on the western side of CO in a small town, there was no way I was going to get my trans locally when I needed one then.

However, you have me thinking in that maybe I can find someone within about 500 miles or so to build me a good one...hmmmm
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Re: Getting a new trans

Unread postby RIKIL » Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:10 pm

The more I think of this the more I ask myself how do I know when I find someone who can build a good trans for my situation?

I think that has been my problem for a while is getting not-good transmissions
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Re: Getting a new trans

Unread postby decipha » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:09 am

a stock rebuild can handle that power no problem
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Re: Getting a new trans

Unread postby RIKIL » Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:44 am

decipha wrote:a stock rebuild can handle that power no problem


I know you have said that in the past and I believe most things you say on here but I am not sure. I have gone through 3 transmissions already and I just want to be sure the one I get can stand up to the power and especially handle the torque when I go WOT.
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Re: Getting a new trans

Unread postby decipha » Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:09 am

im referring to a 4r, the e4 is weak
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Re: Getting a new trans

Unread postby RIKIL » Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:18 am

decipha wrote:im referring to a 4r, the e4 is weak


I know you were. I also need to find a trans guy who is willing to do this for me. The last guy I talked to is here local, came recommended from the speed shop I have been using for years. I talked to this trans guy at length, more than a few times. He was willing to build me an e4 but not a 4r for my setup.
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Re: Getting a new trans

Unread postby RIKIL » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:01 pm

I went and talked to a local transmission builder that came recommended from the speed shop that assembled my motor. I have not have 1 problem with the speed shop but I have had probmes with the places they have recommended. The first place I asked them for a suggestion of was a local place that was said to know how to tune a EEC-IV. He did a horrible job and I am surprised my motor did not blow on his dyno.

After this I asked decipha to help me tune my motor only by sending logs over the internet, it turned out better than the dyno I think. Love this tune he created for me.

I feel the transmission recommendation from the speed shop is sort of the same way. The transmission guy balked when I said supercharger after we had been talking about a 4r70w. Then he said ie was impossible to get a SBF 4r70w and he wanted to build me a AOD-E. I politely said 'thank you' and left, knowing I would not go back there again.
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Re: Getting a new trans

Unread postby decipha » Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:47 pm

the 5L explorers came with sbf 4r's as well as the new edge v6 mustangs, any of them will do
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Re: Getting a new trans

Unread postby RIKIL » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:34 pm

Ya, I know and that sort of worried me about this guy, he just didn't know or maybe didn't want to do it. I dunno.

What ballpark figure would I expect to pay for this trans? If you were buying it, what would you pay?
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Re: Getting a new trans

Unread postby decipha » Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:45 pm

no more than $150 at the absolute most
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Re: Getting a new trans

Unread postby RIKIL » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:15 am

what?? sounds like a used price, don't want a used one
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Re: Getting a new trans

Unread postby decipha » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:55 am

I was referring to a core price for a used good one to either rebuild or use
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Re: Getting a new trans

Unread postby RIKIL » Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:05 am

That makes more sense. Rebuilding is not something I want to experiment with now so I am looking for it to be assembled to where I can install it. You want to build me one?
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Re: Getting a new trans

Unread postby decipha » Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:49 am

If I had the time I would but I just dont have enough free time to do it any time soon.

Anyone can rebuild a 4r just go through the rebuild manual and take your time. Its easy nothing difficult to it at all just time consuming.
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Re: Getting a new trans

Unread postby RIKIL » Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:14 pm

Thanks for at least considering the offer, I knew it was a long shot. I am not in a position to attempt to rebuild a trans now, I was a few years ago but not now. If it takes me more than 3 days time, which I bet it would take me 30 days, then I will lose money, just like you.

One question I have is about the torque converter. I know Monster Trans isn't suggested but when I called them they did something different, they asked for my cam card to figure out the stall on my torque converter when I told them I had a supercharter on the motor. How is the stall for a converter determined? What should I get?

I found a couple of options for a trans:

I like this one because of the long warranty, from what you said a standard rebuild should handle my power. I am sure they can build me a 4x4 version...need a different output shaft and mount for my transfer case = https://www.bestbuytransmission.com/4r7 ... RbEALw_wcB

This one has a shorter warranty and I would need to see if they can build me a 4x4 version - https://www.transdepot.net/4R70W-Ford-M ... _p_92.html

Kind of leaning towards best buy trans. Haven't found anyone locally who wants to do this.
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Re: Getting a new trans

Unread postby decipha » Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:12 pm

usually they want the stall about 500 rpm less than peak tq, thats why they are asking the info

with the 4r its not possible to have too high a stall u can simply lock it anytime other than in 1st
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