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Ford 60# injector Scaling question & Maf question

Posted: 2025 Mar 05, 12:58
by lilxtra
A little confused on the Scaling Percentage for the Ford 60# LU60 injectors and just want to make sure I do it right, I'm assuming I just take the information provided from the Injector Flow Data page (60.267) and divide it by 30=2.0089 SP and divide all 11 items listed by 2.0089 and put that data in the Quarterhorse, correct? Is that ***ALL*** that needs done?
Also, what, ( if anything) needs to be changed to the BA3000 maf transfer shown to be ***DIRECTLY** input into Quarterhorse?
THANKS for any input!!

Re: Ford 60# injector Scaling question & Maf question

Posted: 2025 Mar 05, 14:41
by decipha
no
tunerpro does everything for you, in fact for gufx there is already a 60lb siemens deka injector patch in there just enable it and the injector data will be put in, slopes, offset and breakpoint.

You'll need to modify the crank pw accordingly and then adjust all the SP** parameters comparing to the stock a9l2 tune in order to get everything back in line to normal.

whats the full setup? shoot me the vehicle info sheet for it and i'll take care of it for you no prob

Re: Ford 60# injector Scaling question & Maf question

Posted: 2025 Mar 05, 19:14
by lilxtra
It's a street driven only,Foxbody (of course) Holley System Max intake, Ford LU60 injectors, BA3000 4" maf, Canfield (ported) heads, E303 cam,306ci, with a ON3 t70/65 .90 billet wheel,turbo, 3.73 gears, 5 speed trans, I have the paid version of TunerPro but have NEVER used it, totally unfamiliar with it and if AT ALL possible I would still like to use the Quarter horse software at least till I can learn the TunerPro ( I've looked through it but everything is not where I expect it to be and I've never tried to datalog, burn a chip etc.) I know you don't like the QH stuff but I don't care to pay you to put it in a QH tune that I can modify ( I'm sure I'll still have some dumb questions for you! :) and I'm supposed to tune it week after next so no time to learn it really and don't my first one to be on a turbo car! LOL! Thank you for any help!!!

Re: Ford 60# injector Scaling question & Maf question

Posted: 2025 Mar 06, 15:49
by decipha
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This should have you about 95% of the way there assuming everything is mechanically in order. You should only need to dial in the maf and verify all is well.

I assumed 91/93 premium pump gas and injector delta pressure at 40psi base. I setup fn1036 for about 12 lbs of boost but doesn't really matter so long as the maf doesn't fail lol.

Re: Ford 60# injector Scaling question & Maf question

Posted: 2025 Mar 06, 17:37
by lilxtra
WOW! You are the MAN!! He's wanting to run about 10# so that will be perfect! This can be used with Binary Editor?, Correct? I said in my other post it was Quarterhorse but I meant Binary Editor! So SORRY! The computer is an A3M1 Thank you! Do I owe you anything?

Tried to load it into BE and got this error message (Attached)
UPDATE: It looks like everything loaded, the Fuel-Injector Breakpoint is all zero's except the top right under 10XE-5LB/REV is 8.3629 instead of the stock 3.0398, I'm assuming this is correct?

This calibration doesn't have the FN1036 table so I'm assuming all timing is done in the FN904A Sealevel Table as it's the only one I can find that has values in it (they are much lower than stock as would be expected) **BUT** there are NO load values in the Y axis at all, is this normal?

It looks like from the FN1360 Stabilized Fuel Table that the a/f ratio is set to mid 11's which is what I usually use as well

***SORRY*** for all the stupid questions but just trying to learn & make sure everything goes smooth at the dyno!:)

Re: Ford 60# injector Scaling question & Maf question

Posted: 2025 Mar 06, 21:20
by decipha
yeah you can use it with BE just dont change anything that looks off or wrong as it will corrupt it

stick with dialing in the maf and youll be all good

nope you dont owe me anything

yeah, dont edit the breakpoint or anything, BE isnt going to show the actual value since its custom code

fn1036 is the failed load table, it never existed in the guf strats, its all custom code I wrote so BE wont have it. Its no problem though.

the sealevel table doesnt have a y axis because that table doesnt exist the same way in the custom code. You shouldnt have to mess with any of that though it should be all good.

The scaling though is
2
1.4
.9
.7
.?? maybe 40?
.?? maybe 25?
.1

thats ottomh, i cant recall right now but again it should be all good.

the getting started write up on the homepage has all the details about using tunerpro. I would highly recommend reading over it as tunerpro is far superior in datalogging and dialing in the tune than BE is capable of. Not to mention youll have access to significantly more parameters. Theres also no licensing and tunerpro is free. The $39 you paid is just to remove the 10 sec delay when tunerpro starts up.

Also tunerpro automatically maps out the fuel error for you as well and if you have the wideband wired in to the egr input it will also give you the fuel error for maf corrections even at WOT automatically.

The sooner you use tunerpro the better the tuner youll become. Once you unleash the power of tunerpro youll never want to look back.

Re: Ford 60# injector Scaling question & Maf question

Posted: 2025 Mar 07, 11:03
by PaulC-turbo5.0
hope im not hijacking here but Decipha how did you setup fn1036 for him without dialing it in? I've never understood how to dial that table in so I havent changed it. I downloaded the file you posted above and that table is different then whats in the A9L2 file I started from. Im running 11 lbs of boost, can I just copy that table from the tune posted above?

Re: Ford 60# injector Scaling question & Maf question

Posted: 2025 Mar 07, 11:50
by decipha
I estimated what it should be.

Yeah you can copy it but its scaled back by 1.25% since sarchg is scaled back by 1.25% to reduce load in that tune. You simply copy the table over and then just multiply the entire table by 1.25.

Tunerpro dials it in for you. Simply start polling data and open the history tables tab in the background. Drive around for a while letting it collect data. Try to get as much driving conditions as you can with WOT and extended decel and slight accelerating, moderate, etc.. and all. Then when your done simply select the N_TP_LOAD_GUFX histogram from the drop down menu and select running average.

Then plug in the actual values populated in the histogram table in to to your actual FN1036 table. Estimate the cells you couldn't reach by how it trends and your all set.
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Keep in mind that's just for GUFX.

For all other strategies that have an actual FN1036 table and logs TOTLDST natively you would use the N_TP_TOTLDSTerr histrogram and multiply the FN1036 table by the corrections given in the historgram.

Re: Ford 60# injector Scaling question & Maf question

Posted: 2025 Mar 07, 12:55
by PaulC-turbo5.0
Cool thanks for the detailed explanation. Ill go the histogram route once the weather is nicer and the car comes out of hibernation.

Re: Ford 60# injector Scaling question & Maf question

Posted: 2025 Mar 07, 19:14
by decipha
yeah np

Keep in mind fn1036 is only if the maf sensor fails. That way you dont hurt nothing and your not stranded.