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Gen 1 Lightning

Unread postby xalibo » Tue Dec 16, 2014 7:44 pm

Well, I have BE up and running on my 95L and it did not take long for me to hit a snag. I started by lowering the idle speed to 600 rpm.Stock is 700 in
drive and 800 neut. The truck is much smoother and quieter with the lower idle but until it fully warms up it has the dreaded surging idle. The logs look nice
and it runs great with a little more timing. I want to change things around on the eng. but want to get better with the adjustments first.
Timing at 10* of course. Set TB screw so eng. will barely idle with iAC disc. Shut it down, disc. batt . wait then restart.
Maybe I need to post a log ????
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42# green top Injectors, Saleen intake, 76 MM TB, Vortec SC , 15# @ 5800, #AP103 Autolite,
55# Fuel Press, 10 deg. Initial, C&L green tube 76 mm, stock 55mm Ford sensor, screened
meter inlet, T5 trans, 3.70 rear, 1 3/4 BBk long tubes, bbk x pipe, 2 1/2 exh, 93 /E10 fuel

Re: Gen 1 Lightning

Unread postby decipha » Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:20 am

have you dialed in the fuel yet?

any other issues besides the cold idle ?
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Re: Gen 1 Lightning

Unread postby xalibo » Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:07 am

I have not dialed any thing in yet.Should I need to being fuel syst is still stock?? i just got back from an errand and CEL was on for a minuite or 2. I'll see if theres any codes. Idle was sloppy even warm this time. No other issues I felt. Dam thing hauls arse. I would like a little more snap off idle. After 2500 rpm
it starts hummin. I keep it to 5k though. When I did the engine i got rid of the rotators but used stock HO springs. This thing was for towing and now I feel like messin with it.
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Re: Gen 1 Lightning

Unread postby decipha » Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:40 am

thats cool

do u have the complete LHBL0 def from sailorbob $25
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Re: Gen 1 Lightning

Unread postby xalibo » Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:46 pm

No I have Core tunings Strat. I made the mistake of buying it over a year ago not knowing what was out there.The dam thing is encripted. I finally got it workin g right with Clint's help.
He had to fix a bunch of stuff but it data logs good now.
it looks like the Oxy sensor is kind of lazy . i got a 173 code out of it= Lack of switching and rich bank 1.Sensor has 14K/ Denso sensor
I did remove tip in retard and upped tV 1-2 and 3-4 pressure .Seems to shift a little tighter but I will put the TramsGO kit in it when I pull the eng. this winter.
I have a bunch of parts laying around for it. Now that I have the Gen2 I'll mess with this one.
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Re: Gen 1 Lightning

Unread postby xalibo » Wed Dec 31, 2014 7:25 am

Hey Mike, Could you tell me what's going on here ?? The Oxy sensor seems to go dormant at a warm idle. Is the thinggoing open loop?? Or is something else wrong? Thanks RJ
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Re: Gen 1 Lightning

Unread postby xalibo » Fri Mar 20, 2015 12:28 pm

OK ,I pulled this truck apart to make some changes and have the engine and trans back together. Slow process when you have to do customer work at the
same time. I'll update sig. specs. I am thinking about adding a dry nitrous kit and have a nice set of FRP 42# injectors handy. Can we tune this deal for good low speed & idle with the 42's ? Yes it's still speed density. I was thinking getting it running right then adding a dry 150 hp NOS setup on a second tune on the chip.
Any ideas ??
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55# Fuel Press, 10 deg. Initial, C&L green tube 76 mm, stock 55mm Ford sensor, screened
meter inlet, T5 trans, 3.70 rear, 1 3/4 BBk long tubes, bbk x pipe, 2 1/2 exh, 93 /E10 fuel

Re: Gen 1 Lightning

Unread postby decipha » Fri Mar 20, 2015 1:15 pm

I dont know why but I didn't see the log until now

assuming that its in neutral when you made that log, iscdc was 41% and lambses went to 17.3 yanking fuel, shes bigg time rich and needs ALOT more air

you should probably get the fuel dialed in fuel on her being stock before you start throwing nitrous or injectors at it, find out first whats causing it to go rich, have you checked that the fuel pressure regulator isn't faulty?

but yea i don't see why we would have any issues tuning it otherwise
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Re: Gen 1 Lightning

Unread postby xalibo » Fri Mar 20, 2015 3:12 pm

Yo Mike, I found some broken vaccum lines when i pulled it apart. 1 was for the FP reg. That was prob. it. AND it had some real real bad intake gaskets .
The freakin fel pro 1250's turned to mush. Turns out Fel - poop does not recomend them for extended use. They say to use 1262s for long term use. I did this thing about 4 yrs ago. It was leaking water on all 4 corners of the intake.
To use the 42's would I have to change more than just the injector size setting ?? Pulling the intake top again on these high fendered trucks is a PITA.
I hope to drop the eng. in and start on exhaust as soon as I get a customers Must. rear and trans done ,, Thanks RJ
BTW- I have a adj. reg for it now. I'll start at 40 psi.
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Re: Gen 1 Lightning

Unread postby decipha » Fri Mar 20, 2015 5:29 pm

dont forget the offsets too, youll prob have to adjust the VE table slightly too
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Re: Gen 1 Lightning

Unread postby xalibo » Fri Mar 20, 2015 6:16 pm

I Guess I will need your help with that once I get it togeather. Is the tuning process similar to a mass air deal. Should I fill out a tune info form so we
can do a start up tune. I have to deal with the trans too because I redid the valve body. The trans should be easy I understand most of the pid's on that.
I do have a set of 24# injectors if you think I should start with them till it's running well. I may not get to the NOS till later anyway. Want to tow a boat to FLA. in May.
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Re: Gen 1 Lightning

Unread postby decipha » Fri Mar 20, 2015 7:04 pm

yea fill out the info sheet and shoot it to me

just toss the 42s on it no need in doing all thst extra work

what did u do/want to do with the trans?
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Re: Gen 1 Lightning

Unread postby xalibo » Fri Mar 20, 2015 8:58 pm

We can just leave the trans settings stock until I see how it works.
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42# green top Injectors, Saleen intake, 76 MM TB, Vortec SC , 15# @ 5800, #AP103 Autolite,
55# Fuel Press, 10 deg. Initial, C&L green tube 76 mm, stock 55mm Ford sensor, screened
meter inlet, T5 trans, 3.70 rear, 1 3/4 BBk long tubes, bbk x pipe, 2 1/2 exh, 93 /E10 fuel

Re: Gen 1 Lightning

Unread postby red5.0fogger » Sat Mar 21, 2015 11:18 am

xalibo wrote:Yo Mike, I found some broken vaccum lines when i pulled it apart. 1 was for the FP reg. That was prob. it. AND it had some real real bad intake gaskets .
The freakin fel pro 1250's turned to mush. Turns out Fel - poop does not recomend them for extended use. They say to use 1262s for long term use. I did this thing about 4 yrs ago. It was leaking water on all 4 corners of the intake.
To use the 42's would I have to change more than just the injector size setting ?? Pulling the intake top again on these high fendered trucks is a PITA.
I hope to drop the eng. in and start on exhaust as soon as I get a customers Must. rear and trans done ,, Thanks RJ
BTW- I have a adj. reg for it now. I'll start at 40 psi.
. I am running 1250 gaskets. Are they the same material to your knowledge? That's shity of them to even make a part like that.
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Re: Gen 1 Lightning

Unread postby xalibo » Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:06 pm

Yes/// the Performance type gaskets are a coated celluloid material that breaks down over time. They conform to slight miss matches in angles and rough surface
finishes better. OEM type gaskets are of course meant for extended use. The GT40 heads on the old lightning call for a slightly larger gasket on the ports than the 5.0 or normal truck 5.8. i had the 1262's so I used them. My Bad. The right gasket fora GT 40 head is MS959521 . The 1250 is the Perf. type gasket. They are meant for engines that come apart fairly often . say every other year max ..
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42# green top Injectors, Saleen intake, 76 MM TB, Vortec SC , 15# @ 5800, #AP103 Autolite,
55# Fuel Press, 10 deg. Initial, C&L green tube 76 mm, stock 55mm Ford sensor, screened
meter inlet, T5 trans, 3.70 rear, 1 3/4 BBk long tubes, bbk x pipe, 2 1/2 exh, 93 /E10 fuel

Re: Gen 1 Lightning

Unread postby xalibo » Sun Apr 26, 2015 6:47 am

Hey Mike, bin a while(no pun intended). I finally got enough time to finish the eng for the old " L" and found that I have 2 sets of injectors here.
1 set of the Ford 42's and a set of nice 50's. Forget the name of them right now though. I will be putting the Vortec "T" trim on it if I ever get the pulleys right.
I would like to see 13- 14 # of boost @ 5K so should I just use the 50's ??? Also do you think 3" exhaust is really needed for 500 crankshaft HP or will 2 1/2 work fine. I have 1 3/4 headers . I will have to fab the exh. Sys and 3" is twice as much work. Also I am wanting to keep the noise down on the exhaust. I used the mAC mufflers ,3"', on a must. and they seemed reasonable on noise. What type have you found work good ??? I have found flowmaster 40's to be terrible on a pickup.
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. GT40 3bar hds, Bowl job, Comp roller cam,214 & 224 @ 050. 114 LC. .510 lft. 10:1 Comp,E4OD trans, TransGo kit, Stk. conv. 1 3/4 long tube headers, 3" duels. 50# inj. Vortec "T" trim,14# boost, 4.11 rear gears. DIY water injection. MSD box & coil, smog pump crankcae evac syst,
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Re: Gen 1 Lightning

Unread postby decipha » Sun Apr 26, 2015 9:34 am

50s no doubt, why would u even consider smaller?

yea 2.5s are fine, for quite i like glasspacks as resonators and turbo mufflers they quiet it down quite a bit
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Re: Gen 1 Lightning

Unread postby xalibo » Fri Jan 08, 2016 5:28 am

Hey Mike , I finally got the Gen 1 Engine done but the shop has been busy.
You told a guy on here "ll you have to do is run 4 wires for the maf and swap in an ahacb ecu no problem

If you really wanted to upgrade you can toss an edis reluctor and cam sensor on it and swap in a 99-04 ecu"

I would like to try this but I have very little info on how to do it. Is there a how to somewhere you know of ??

The Eng should run nice,here is a Pict. --- FWIW
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Re: Gen 1 Lightning

Unread postby decipha » Fri Jan 08, 2016 9:18 am

the EFI swap write up on the homepage

http://info.efidynotuning.com/efiswap.htm
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