Swapping a 4cyl. EEC for a V8 one - FB1 -> DA1

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Swapping a 4cyl. EEC for a V8 one - FB1 -> DA1

Unread postby mustangdriver » Thu May 16, 2019 2:00 pm

Hi Folks,
I signed up here because I want to report on the conversion and maybe need support.
Have a crazy idea :idea: years ago the user "vristang" already made in a similar way.

On the engine, I have changed the following: exhaust header, 2 1/4" exhaust pipe, ´05er muffler, cylinder head milled, compression 10.2: 1, ported ports, roller camshaft, new valves, intake manifold ported, resonator removed.
anyway...

I have 3 EECIV - FB1, FC1, 8CB. They all work, but the programming has not been done very well by Ford.
Also, there is no definition file for it (I've tried to create one)
Now I have bought an EEC "DC" for $ 44.50 on ebay. Will be soon in good old germany.

I don´t want to MAF or EDIS stuff .... but just program my wishes for a proper engine run.

I have a definitionfile LUX0 from the Tunerpro website. I have already extended this, will post the changes here.
Furthermore, I have the binfiles DA1, DB1, DC, DE. I'm working with Tunerpro. What is unknown in the definitions file I change to byte level and look at the result with Caledit. There is still a lot to do :o
I have created schematics to see which pins are needed.

Very important: My injectors have 16ohms! (14lbs/hr) high impedance, no change :mrgreen:

Now my question:
Which pins will be plugged in for the 4 cylinder controls on the 8cyl computer? E.G. injectors 1-4 not 5-8...or injector outputs 1,3,5,7 but I am a bit confused on all of this at the moment. I would assign the each cylinders to their respective injector output port mapping, and run it like that? :?: Firing order of the engine is 1342 :lol:


So - apologize in advance for the long newbie post. Thanks for all input.
Tobias
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Re: Swapping a 4cyl. EEC for a V8 one - FB1 -> DA1

Unread postby mustangdriver » Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:47 am

Hello my american friends,

The engine is running!!!!

is a pity none of you could help...thanks to German thoroughness, I hacked the strategy so far that I found all the parameters I needed for the 4 banger.
I have soldered an LED to each injector port so I can control the programmed injector firing order. Instead 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8 is now 1-3-4-2. The other 4 LEDs remain dark.
After many experiments, where the engine ran bad, I found the right values in binfile. It is not easy, because there are some values double / triple. :cry:
Youtube: https://youtu.be/dwBVidkZR4c

I changed the following:
Injector Firing Order=1,3,4,2,0,0,0,0
Injector Output Port=0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
DEGPIP=180
SPKSWL=1307
SPKSWH=1307
NUMCYL=4
NUMOUT=4
PIPOUT=4
ENGCYL=2
MHPFD=0.29
THRMHP=0
PFEHP=2
NUMHEGO=1
SARCHG=140
Injector High Slope=14
Injector Low Slope=20
I did not find the SIGKLU and SIGKLL . :shock:

I am happy to provide the defintionsfile unencrypted.

Tobias
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Re: Swapping a 4cyl. EEC for a V8 one - FB1 -> DA1

Unread postby decipha » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:31 am

very nice work tobias

are you sure about the degpip scalar? should be 180 but im thinking you have it enumerated some type of way so 4 means 4 cylinder?

do u have datalogging?
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Re: Swapping a 4cyl. EEC for a V8 one - FB1 -> DA1

Unread postby mustangdriver » Sun Jun 09, 2019 2:36 pm

sorry, my mistake, I mean 180 of course... :mrgreen:

No Datalogging :?
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Re: Swapping a 4cyl. EEC for a V8 one - FB1 -> DA1

Unread postby motorhead1991 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:08 am

mustangdriver wrote:sorry, my mistake, I mean 180 of course... :mrgreen:

No Datalogging :?


That can easily be fixed.
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Re: Swapping a 4cyl. EEC for a V8 one - FB1 -> DA1

Unread postby mustangdriver » Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:53 am

Da1_test_4cyl_parameter.bin
LUX0_tobi.xdf


Hi,

here are the updated files!!!!
Edit July 3.
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Re: Swapping a 4cyl. EEC for a V8 one - FB1 -> DA1

Unread postby motorhead1991 » Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:42 pm

mustangdriver wrote:Hi,

here are the updated files


Did you look at the other DA1 thread? I set up the datalogging patch on lux0
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Re: Swapping a 4cyl. EEC for a V8 one - FB1 -> DA1

Unread postby mustangdriver » Sat Jul 06, 2019 5:25 am

...yes, but i have no Tweecer/QuarterHorse :cry: :x

My car----->
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Re: Swapping a 4cyl. EEC for a V8 one - FB1 -> DA1

Unread postby mustangdriver » Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:31 am

----> updated Files, Aug. 12, 2019:
Shiftlight - working
DFSO - working
closed loop PT + idle - working
smooth transient idle to part throttle - working
cold start - 1200rpm after a few seconds 850rpm
WOT - up to 3000rpm stoich, then 13:1 AFR
Dashpot decay - working
Spark advance PT and WOT - at the advance limit :o
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Re: Swapping a 4cyl. EEC for a V8 one - FB1 -> DA1

Unread postby mustangdriver » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:43 am

I've moved my ecu under the seat so I can get to the J3 port.

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Re: Swapping a 4cyl. EEC for a V8 one - FB1 -> DA1

Unread postby mustangdriver » Thu Aug 22, 2019 4:56 am

Newest definition file LUX0

Does anyone want to develop this file further? :idea:

LUX0.xdf
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