Quarter Horse vs Pro-M

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Quarter Horse vs Pro-M

Unread postby Silarous » Thu Nov 26, 2015 11:05 am

I am currently using the Quarterhorse for my tuning on my 95 Cobra R. I am looking to put a Vortech on it here soon and would like to get into tuning the vehicle myself. I have been doing some research on the Pro-M setup and it seems like it would be a much simpler system to learn. At a cost of around 2500 to get the setup up and running, that is my only dilemma. Is the Quarterhorse setup I already have just as capable as the Pro-M? Is the learning curve as hard as it seems? The self tuning of the Pro-M seems like it would be really nice since it can easily adapt to changes in the future to pulley's, exhaust, intake, etc. Is it worth the price? Target power will in be in the 600-700rwhp range. Thanks
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Re: Quarter Horse vs Pro-M

Unread postby decipha » Thu Nov 26, 2015 11:16 am

welcome to the forum, not everyday you hear of someone with a cobra R !!!!

Id recommend keeping the car as near factory stock as possible and as a result keeping the stock ZA0 ecu with the quarterhorse. The QH is more than capable of doing everything you need it to, spending $2500 on an aftermarket ecu would be a waste IMO.

The stock ecu when properly tuned will automatically adapt for a blower so very minimal if any tune changes are needed from your n/a tune when you put the blower on. You can fire it up and go.

Pulleys exhaust and intakes have minimal affect on the tune and will respond the exact same on the stock ecu as it will the ProM.

Using the base tune on the homepage its much faster and easier to correctly tune the QH than it is the ProM. And using the stock ecu has major benefits such as easier replacement, less cost, and a more stock like appearance and driveability.

As you can see Im partial to the stock ecu's, I have yet to ever find a need to look elsewhere when the factory ecu does everythng I need it to.

But mostly what it comes down to is you being happy with it, since you already have the QH you might as well run it and if you decide you want to try out an aftermarket ecu you can, no point in spending the extra money now though.
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Re: Quarter Horse vs Pro-M

Unread postby Silarous » Fri Nov 27, 2015 8:25 am

Thanks for the quick reply! You are exactly who I was hoping to hear from. I have read through alot of your guides and you definitely have a good grasp on this stuff. Glad to hear that sticking with what I have will do the trick. The car is far from stock so far. I am saving all the original parts just in case I should ever want to go back to stock but I bought this one with the intentions to build and not let it sit!

As of right now it is running on a 392 stroker motor with z304 heads and a extrude honed factory R intake at about 10:1 compression. Car made 370rwhp 451rwtq on on a mustang dyno. Factory intake even ported is causing it to die off past 5k rpms. Figured the Vortech would help in that area. Being the compression ratio is a bit high, I will probably be looking into meth injection too.

I had the car tuned at a local shop and it runs great. I would just like to get into something that I can do on my own and not drop $500 for a retune every time I change something. At the same time I don't want to be absorbed into spending large amounts of time trying to get it right. lol
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Re: Quarter Horse vs Pro-M

Unread postby decipha » Fri Nov 27, 2015 11:07 am

I hear that, thats pretty healthy for z heads, Id leave the setup as is and toss 20.lbs of boost at it with the meth, thatll put you just under 800rwhp safely

Youll want siemens deka 80s and a pmas hpxe slot in a 3" pipe

toss a couple 340 lph pumps in tank, set the 2nd on a wot switch and youll be golden, make sure you have stout fuel lines and rails

then wait for the next weakest link to give up the ghost

Meth is a must
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Re: Quarter Horse vs Pro-M

Unread postby Silarous » Fri Nov 27, 2015 12:32 pm

As of right now I got a set of Edlebrock 60lb injectors and a Aeromotive stealth 340lph intank pump. Lines and rails are stock. High boost will happen in the future but for right now I am probably only looking to throw 8-10psi at it. I have a Novi 1500 sitting at the house that I plan to use. Should be plenty of blower to get where I want to be. Maf will probably be needing a upgrade. It is a 99 cobra factory MAF I believe. More then likely it will peg with the supercharger?
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Re: Quarter Horse vs Pro-M

Unread postby decipha » Fri Nov 27, 2015 2:21 pm

60s will only support 600, you can kick it up to 55psi base and get 700

the stock maf isnt anything worthwhile, youll def want/need a pmas hpxe slot maf
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Re: Quarter Horse vs Pro-M

Unread postby Silarous » Fri Nov 27, 2015 4:53 pm

Right now, 600 is all im looking for. Hell, I'd settle at 550. Taking baby steps. Pretty much just looking to get the blower on and running at this point. I will look into that MAF. I already factored that in as a needed upgrade.
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Re: Quarter Horse vs Pro-M

Unread postby decipha » Fri Nov 27, 2015 10:14 pm

9 lbs will put you right at 550rwhp no prob

it'll take 12 lbs to crack 600
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Re: Quarter Horse vs Pro-M

Unread postby Silarous » Sat Nov 28, 2015 4:46 pm

Cool. You happen to know how far people have taken the vortech's with the stock inlet piping? I know that tube is restrictive as hell but I really don't want to cut into the fender well to install a powerpipe. I may look into making a custom piece that doesn't go into the fender.
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Re: Quarter Horse vs Pro-M

Unread postby decipha » Sat Nov 28, 2015 6:00 pm

no i sure dont most folks toss a larger pipe on
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Re: Quarter Horse vs Pro-M

Unread postby Silarous » Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:06 am

So that slot MAF you showed earlier just gets installed into the MAF housing that I currently have?
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Re: Quarter Horse vs Pro-M

Unread postby decipha » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:12 pm

no you can order it with the pipe/housing and pigtail from pmas

its the mh30 with hpx-e slot in a 3" pipe
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Re: Quarter Horse vs Pro-M

Unread postby Silarous » Fri Dec 04, 2015 5:32 pm

What are your thoughts on BE vs Tuner pro? Also, do you feel EEC Analyzer is necessary?
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Re: Quarter Horse vs Pro-M

Unread postby decipha » Fri Dec 04, 2015 5:38 pm

I use tunerpro almost exclusively so I can't vouch for BE, I have no use for EA
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Re: Quarter Horse vs Pro-M

Unread postby Silarous » Sat Dec 05, 2015 5:41 pm

Fair enough. Is there a benefit to upgrading to Tuner Pro RT?
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Re: Quarter Horse vs Pro-M

Unread postby decipha » Sat Dec 05, 2015 6:01 pm

if you already have BE your best bet would be to get the complete cbaza def file from sailorbob, otherwise if you don't have BE you can user tunerpro no problem
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Re: Quarter Horse vs Pro-M

Unread postby Silarous » Tue Dec 08, 2015 8:19 pm

I have BE but from what I have been told by the guy who tuned the car I will need to purchase the 2012 version (I have 2010) in order to access the tune that is already on the chip. I would be willing to purchase again if it would be a better route to go.
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Re: Quarter Horse vs Pro-M

Unread postby decipha » Tue Dec 08, 2015 10:52 pm

he is mistaken, you can read the tune out with tunerpro so its a binary file and open it with any tuning program from there
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Re: Quarter Horse vs Pro-M

Unread postby Silarous » Wed Dec 09, 2015 4:49 pm

Good deal. I appreciate all the help. I will be looking to utilize your services when I begin trying to tune this thing in the spring!
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