2016 Mustang 5.0 (FORD PERFORMANCE COBRA JET 65mm)

All 2005+ Vehicles, including the 2000+ Lincoln LS, 2002+ Explorer, 2002+ Thunderbird, 2004+ F150, 2011+ Mustang 5.0L Coyote, GT500s, GT350

2016 Mustang 5.0 (FORD PERFORMANCE COBRA JET 65mm)

Unread postby Denver_SVT » Sun Jun 21, 2020 7:55 am

Hello,

I need someone to help me fill in the blanks on the "ETC Effective Throttle Area" table for the CJ Throttle body Twin blade 65mm throttle body using SCT Software.

Thanks.
Denver_SVT
General Poster
 
Posts: 70
Joined: Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:02 am
Name: Maged
Vehicle Information: 2001 Ford Mustang 4.6 blown

Re: 2016 Mustang 5.0 (FORD PERFORMANCE COBRA JET 65mm)

Unread postby decipha » Sun Jun 21, 2020 8:39 pm

I use the gt500 data and dial it in.
User avatar
decipha
Tooner
 
Posts: 19690
Joined: Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:29 pm
Location: New Orleans, LA
Name: Michael Decipha Ponto
Vehicle Information: Supercoupin' x10
90 (4x 5spds) - Dante, Ruby, Daja, Ava
91 4r70w - Skarlett
92 (2x) 5spd & auto - Bianqa, Andrea
93 auto - Danika
94 5spd Rionda
95 auto Aisha
Vehicle 2 Information: Others:
00 Lincoln LS - Luanda
98 Camaro SS - Bounquisha
02 Harley F-150 - Sasasha
03 Marauder - DyShyKy
00 Explorer 5L - Bernyce
07 GMC 2500HD 6L - Veranafer
06 Chrysler 300 AWD - Sharifa

Re: 2016 Mustang 5.0 (FORD PERFORMANCE COBRA JET 65mm)

Unread postby Denver_SVT » Mon Jun 22, 2020 10:40 am

I thought about this but the GT500 effictive throttle area table comes with 14 columns while the 2016 Coyote comes with 18 columns. So how to deal whith it. Should i renormalize and thats it.
Denver_SVT
General Poster
 
Posts: 70
Joined: Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:02 am
Name: Maged
Vehicle Information: 2001 Ford Mustang 4.6 blown

Re: 2016 Mustang 5.0 (FORD PERFORMANCE COBRA JET 65mm)

Unread postby decipha » Mon Jun 22, 2020 11:01 am

yeah either that or interpolate the others
User avatar
decipha
Tooner
 
Posts: 19690
Joined: Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:29 pm
Location: New Orleans, LA
Name: Michael Decipha Ponto
Vehicle Information: Supercoupin' x10
90 (4x 5spds) - Dante, Ruby, Daja, Ava
91 4r70w - Skarlett
92 (2x) 5spd & auto - Bianqa, Andrea
93 auto - Danika
94 5spd Rionda
95 auto Aisha
Vehicle 2 Information: Others:
00 Lincoln LS - Luanda
98 Camaro SS - Bounquisha
02 Harley F-150 - Sasasha
03 Marauder - DyShyKy
00 Explorer 5L - Bernyce
07 GMC 2500HD 6L - Veranafer
06 Chrysler 300 AWD - Sharifa

Re: 2016 Mustang 5.0 (FORD PERFORMANCE COBRA JET 65mm)

Unread postby Denver_SVT » Mon Jun 22, 2020 1:15 pm

Decipha,

I just want to make sure that what i did is correct. See below the X is the columns and Y is the rows. I copied the values from the GT500 on the table below and for the last 4 columns the values will be the same. Is this correct? I even did the same for table " Open Loop Ft TA Prediction"

X= 0.220, 0.81, 1.25, 3.06, 4.98, 7.51, 9.96, 15.0, 19.9, 24.85, 29.79, 40.04, 60.04, 81.16, 81.16, 81.16, 81.16, 81.16,
Y= 14.100, 10.00, 7.50, 5.00, 3.75, 2.00, 1.00, 0.500, 0.300
Denver_SVT
General Poster
 
Posts: 70
Joined: Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:02 am
Name: Maged
Vehicle Information: 2001 Ford Mustang 4.6 blown

Re: 2016 Mustang 5.0 (FORD PERFORMANCE COBRA JET 65mm)

Unread postby decipha » Mon Jun 22, 2020 1:51 pm

cool
User avatar
decipha
Tooner
 
Posts: 19690
Joined: Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:29 pm
Location: New Orleans, LA
Name: Michael Decipha Ponto
Vehicle Information: Supercoupin' x10
90 (4x 5spds) - Dante, Ruby, Daja, Ava
91 4r70w - Skarlett
92 (2x) 5spd & auto - Bianqa, Andrea
93 auto - Danika
94 5spd Rionda
95 auto Aisha
Vehicle 2 Information: Others:
00 Lincoln LS - Luanda
98 Camaro SS - Bounquisha
02 Harley F-150 - Sasasha
03 Marauder - DyShyKy
00 Explorer 5L - Bernyce
07 GMC 2500HD 6L - Veranafer
06 Chrysler 300 AWD - Sharifa

Re: 2016 Mustang 5.0 (FORD PERFORMANCE COBRA JET 65mm)

Unread postby Denver_SVT » Mon Jun 22, 2020 1:57 pm

Thanks for your usual support Decipha :)
Denver_SVT
General Poster
 
Posts: 70
Joined: Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:02 am
Name: Maged
Vehicle Information: 2001 Ford Mustang 4.6 blown

Re: 2016 Mustang 5.0 (FORD PERFORMANCE COBRA JET 65mm)

Unread postby Denver_SVT » Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:48 pm

Hello Decipha,

I have issue when i load the custom tune on the car it will froze at the end when it said "Clearing DTC Please wait". have you have experience of this issue.
Denver_SVT
General Poster
 
Posts: 70
Joined: Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:02 am
Name: Maged
Vehicle Information: 2001 Ford Mustang 4.6 blown

Re: 2016 Mustang 5.0 (FORD PERFORMANCE COBRA JET 65mm)

Unread postby decipha » Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:34 pm

No I hadn't.
User avatar
decipha
Tooner
 
Posts: 19690
Joined: Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:29 pm
Location: New Orleans, LA
Name: Michael Decipha Ponto
Vehicle Information: Supercoupin' x10
90 (4x 5spds) - Dante, Ruby, Daja, Ava
91 4r70w - Skarlett
92 (2x) 5spd & auto - Bianqa, Andrea
93 auto - Danika
94 5spd Rionda
95 auto Aisha
Vehicle 2 Information: Others:
00 Lincoln LS - Luanda
98 Camaro SS - Bounquisha
02 Harley F-150 - Sasasha
03 Marauder - DyShyKy
00 Explorer 5L - Bernyce
07 GMC 2500HD 6L - Veranafer
06 Chrysler 300 AWD - Sharifa

Re: 2016 Mustang 5.0 (FORD PERFORMANCE COBRA JET 65mm)

Unread postby Denver_SVT » Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:24 am

Hi Decipha, your usual support is appreciated.

An update: regarding the Cobra Jet TB twin i used the GT500 data and every thing work fine with nice startup, smooth idle but at 2800 rpm in cruise the vehicle will pop up wrench light and then engine light with error code P2135 (Throttle/Pedal Position Sensor/Switch A/B voltage correlation). So I think I have issue in the tune dialing the correct data for this CJ TB.

Any good hints to fix this issue!!
Denver_SVT
General Poster
 
Posts: 70
Joined: Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:02 am
Name: Maged
Vehicle Information: 2001 Ford Mustang 4.6 blown

Re: 2016 Mustang 5.0 (FORD PERFORMANCE COBRA JET 65mm)

Unread postby decipha » Mon Jul 06, 2020 12:42 pm

log the a and b counts and dial in the transfer
User avatar
decipha
Tooner
 
Posts: 19690
Joined: Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:29 pm
Location: New Orleans, LA
Name: Michael Decipha Ponto
Vehicle Information: Supercoupin' x10
90 (4x 5spds) - Dante, Ruby, Daja, Ava
91 4r70w - Skarlett
92 (2x) 5spd & auto - Bianqa, Andrea
93 auto - Danika
94 5spd Rionda
95 auto Aisha
Vehicle 2 Information: Others:
00 Lincoln LS - Luanda
98 Camaro SS - Bounquisha
02 Harley F-150 - Sasasha
03 Marauder - DyShyKy
00 Explorer 5L - Bernyce
07 GMC 2500HD 6L - Veranafer
06 Chrysler 300 AWD - Sharifa

Re: 2016 Mustang 5.0 (FORD PERFORMANCE COBRA JET 65mm)

Unread postby Denver_SVT » Mon Jul 06, 2020 1:04 pm

I logged the below parameters and at idle it's reading
Throttle position voltage = 4.36
Throttle position sensor voltage 2 = 0.66

or do you want me to log the (Throttle position absolute) and (Throttle position absolute B)? Which Transfer table you're referring to?
Denver_SVT
General Poster
 
Posts: 70
Joined: Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:02 am
Name: Maged
Vehicle Information: 2001 Ford Mustang 4.6 blown

Re: 2016 Mustang 5.0 (FORD PERFORMANCE COBRA JET 65mm)

Unread postby decipha » Mon Jul 06, 2020 1:08 pm

yes the absolute voltages

the correlation function under drive by wire that compares the two and if its too far off sets the code your getting
User avatar
decipha
Tooner
 
Posts: 19690
Joined: Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:29 pm
Location: New Orleans, LA
Name: Michael Decipha Ponto
Vehicle Information: Supercoupin' x10
90 (4x 5spds) - Dante, Ruby, Daja, Ava
91 4r70w - Skarlett
92 (2x) 5spd & auto - Bianqa, Andrea
93 auto - Danika
94 5spd Rionda
95 auto Aisha
Vehicle 2 Information: Others:
00 Lincoln LS - Luanda
98 Camaro SS - Bounquisha
02 Harley F-150 - Sasasha
03 Marauder - DyShyKy
00 Explorer 5L - Bernyce
07 GMC 2500HD 6L - Veranafer
06 Chrysler 300 AWD - Sharifa

Re: 2016 Mustang 5.0 (FORD PERFORMANCE COBRA JET 65mm)

Unread postby Denver_SVT » Mon Jul 06, 2020 1:31 pm

I will try to log the absolute voltage and see the results. Unfortunately, the p2135 code is not available in the software. Under drive by wire i can see the "Hysteresis for a B sensor switching" and "Throttle position sensor slope" is those the tables i can work on?
Denver_SVT
General Poster
 
Posts: 70
Joined: Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:02 am
Name: Maged
Vehicle Information: 2001 Ford Mustang 4.6 blown

Re: 2016 Mustang 5.0 (FORD PERFORMANCE COBRA JET 65mm)

Unread postby Denver_SVT » Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:27 pm

Ok i found the table you're talking about which is " TPP TPS Config " and this defines the TPS A and TPS B sensors.
The X degrees are 0 1 2
The Y degrees are 6.5 9.0 11.5
6.5 9.0 11.5

what is a good value to adjust the above table and to start with? do i have to convert the voltage value of sensor A and B to degrees ?
Denver_SVT
General Poster
 
Posts: 70
Joined: Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:02 am
Name: Maged
Vehicle Information: 2001 Ford Mustang 4.6 blown

Re: 2016 Mustang 5.0 (FORD PERFORMANCE COBRA JET 65mm)

Unread postby decipha » Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:01 pm

you adjust it based on what youer logging and the correlation between them

the engine does not need to be running you can go through the tps sweeep at engine off and jot down each point

then upload the tune with it corrected and your good to go.
User avatar
decipha
Tooner
 
Posts: 19690
Joined: Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:29 pm
Location: New Orleans, LA
Name: Michael Decipha Ponto
Vehicle Information: Supercoupin' x10
90 (4x 5spds) - Dante, Ruby, Daja, Ava
91 4r70w - Skarlett
92 (2x) 5spd & auto - Bianqa, Andrea
93 auto - Danika
94 5spd Rionda
95 auto Aisha
Vehicle 2 Information: Others:
00 Lincoln LS - Luanda
98 Camaro SS - Bounquisha
02 Harley F-150 - Sasasha
03 Marauder - DyShyKy
00 Explorer 5L - Bernyce
07 GMC 2500HD 6L - Veranafer
06 Chrysler 300 AWD - Sharifa

Re: 2016 Mustang 5.0 (FORD PERFORMANCE COBRA JET 65mm)

Unread postby Denver_SVT » Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:45 am

Ok i did a datalog with engine off and ignition on, i did the TPS sweep procedure and i logged the following parameters:

This reading without touching the gas pedal

Accel Pedal position volts = 0.757 v
Throttle angle actual = 10.35 degrees
Throttle position absolute = 18.03 degrees
Throttle position B absolute = 24.31 degrees
Throttle position voltage = 4.07 v
Throttle position sensor 2 voltage = 1.22 v


at half throttle the readings as follow:

Accel Pedal position volts = 1.458 v
Throttle angle actual = 44.26 degrees
Throttle position absolute = 30.9 degrees
Throttle position B absolute = 57.6 degrees
Throttle position voltage = 3.24 v
Throttle position sensor 2 voltage = 2.89 v


So how i will do the correlation between them for the TPS config table. If you can give me one example so i can get it because i tried to figure it out with no luck.
Denver_SVT
General Poster
 
Posts: 70
Joined: Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:02 am
Name: Maged
Vehicle Information: 2001 Ford Mustang 4.6 blown

Re: 2016 Mustang 5.0 (FORD PERFORMANCE COBRA JET 65mm)

Unread postby Denver_SVT » Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:54 pm

I have replaced the Cobra Jet Throttle body with 2014 GT500 TB and the issue still there when the car reach 2000 rpm it will go in limp mode and through a wrench light and code P2135. I have checked the TPS wires and harness and it looks ok. so, what causing the issue?

I have also received code P0315 crank relearn and try to follow the procedure with SCT x4 and it get successes but the code will not disappear. so i have to disable the code switch from the SCT advantage software. Is this ok?

I am tired tracing the issue with no luck figure it out :(
Denver_SVT
General Poster
 
Posts: 70
Joined: Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:02 am
Name: Maged
Vehicle Information: 2001 Ford Mustang 4.6 blown

Re: 2016 Mustang 5.0 (FORD PERFORMANCE COBRA JET 65mm)

Unread postby decipha » Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:17 pm

you need the throttle position sensor slope function
0.899
-0.899

and for the Tpp Tps Config
6 9 12
6 9 12

and the expected idle throttle angle
3.3722 18.3316
2.0277 12.0768
1.1220 6.7447
1.0000 6.0725
0.3614 1.9399
0.0556 0.0000

if the crank relearn code doesn't go away then that means the crank relearn failed. No you cannot disable the code switch and you should NEVER disable any code switches ever for any reason. You can change them to 1 so they don't set a MIL but NEVER disabled them.
User avatar
decipha
Tooner
 
Posts: 19690
Joined: Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:29 pm
Location: New Orleans, LA
Name: Michael Decipha Ponto
Vehicle Information: Supercoupin' x10
90 (4x 5spds) - Dante, Ruby, Daja, Ava
91 4r70w - Skarlett
92 (2x) 5spd & auto - Bianqa, Andrea
93 auto - Danika
94 5spd Rionda
95 auto Aisha
Vehicle 2 Information: Others:
00 Lincoln LS - Luanda
98 Camaro SS - Bounquisha
02 Harley F-150 - Sasasha
03 Marauder - DyShyKy
00 Explorer 5L - Bernyce
07 GMC 2500HD 6L - Veranafer
06 Chrysler 300 AWD - Sharifa

Re: 2016 Mustang 5.0 (FORD PERFORMANCE COBRA JET 65mm)

Unread postby Denver_SVT » Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:21 pm

Ok sounds good i will try to follow your instructions and see how things will go. I will let you know by tomorrow. Thanks
Denver_SVT
General Poster
 
Posts: 70
Joined: Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:02 am
Name: Maged
Vehicle Information: 2001 Ford Mustang 4.6 blown

Re: 2016 Mustang 5.0 (FORD PERFORMANCE COBRA JET 65mm)

Unread postby Denver_SVT » Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:00 pm

I couldn't wait tell tomorrow, so i did the modification on the tune with having the P0315 to 1 and load the tune. I noticed the code P2135 is gone but now at cruise when i reach to 3000 rpm it will through a wrench light but the car will drive fine this time because no P2135 code anymore. I check for any codes and found the P0315 came up without engine light. I tried to follow the crank relearn procedure again with no success as the rpm will not pass 3000 rpm because it will through the wrench light during the test and will not allow me to reach the 4275 rpm as it's mentioned on the test.

So, how to take care of the wrench light so i can do the crank relearn test successfully.
Denver_SVT
General Poster
 
Posts: 70
Joined: Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:02 am
Name: Maged
Vehicle Information: 2001 Ford Mustang 4.6 blown

Re: 2016 Mustang 5.0 (FORD PERFORMANCE COBRA JET 65mm)

Unread postby decipha » Mon Jul 13, 2020 6:16 pm

you need to figure out what is causing the wrench light and dial it in.

if its not throwing a code then its got to be the throttle body needs to be dialed in more
User avatar
decipha
Tooner
 
Posts: 19690
Joined: Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:29 pm
Location: New Orleans, LA
Name: Michael Decipha Ponto
Vehicle Information: Supercoupin' x10
90 (4x 5spds) - Dante, Ruby, Daja, Ava
91 4r70w - Skarlett
92 (2x) 5spd & auto - Bianqa, Andrea
93 auto - Danika
94 5spd Rionda
95 auto Aisha
Vehicle 2 Information: Others:
00 Lincoln LS - Luanda
98 Camaro SS - Bounquisha
02 Harley F-150 - Sasasha
03 Marauder - DyShyKy
00 Explorer 5L - Bernyce
07 GMC 2500HD 6L - Veranafer
06 Chrysler 300 AWD - Sharifa

Re: 2016 Mustang 5.0 (FORD PERFORMANCE COBRA JET 65mm)

Unread postby Denver_SVT » Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:41 am

Ok i will try to figure it out. Thanks for your usual support Decipha.
Denver_SVT
General Poster
 
Posts: 70
Joined: Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:02 am
Name: Maged
Vehicle Information: 2001 Ford Mustang 4.6 blown


Return to Coyote, 3V & CAN Tuning

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest