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New to QH tunning

Unread postby Peter92lx » Tue Mar 20, 2018 3:35 pm

I’m currently rebuilding my 1992 LX Mustang. I did a ground up rebuild on the car taking it from a trailered track car back to street use. My plan is to run the car SCCA CAM-T. I’m getting to a point where I will need to tune it for the new 347 I built for the car. I’ve looked at plenty of solutions from QH to standalone and I think this is going to be my best bet for keeping all the smog equipment functioning and being able to tune it for the 347. I’ve tuned with a ECC Tuner a long time ago it wouldn’t even datalog at the time this was just before the Tweecer stuff came out. I’m currently looking at getting the following hardware.

QH
Superlogger
DLG-1 wide bands

The software I was going to run TunerPro RT v5 it seems to be a nice package and it free to try out if you like donate. Does the QH and superlogger have to be connected to the car to make changes to the tune. I was thinking about getting the hardware now and loading up the base tunes like the A9L2 make the changes it needs to work with my car so I’m ready when I need to start the car. This way I can learn the software and how to make changes to the tune. I also wanted to use the superlogger for monitoring my wide bands, fuel and oil pressure plus I can log the QH without a laptop. How do the two devices connect to each other? From what I have read they both have there own strategy file for reading the stock ECU but I could be wrong wouldn’t be the first time.
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A9L DLG-1 Wide bands
TunerPro RT 5
Quarter Horse
Superlogger
Big bore 347
Compression 9.8:1
CHP 347E cam
AFR 185
Pro-M 30lb injectors
75mm PRO-M MAF
WC T5
N/A
JBA Headers
Magnaflow Catted X-pipe
Flowmaster Stainless exhaust

Re: New to QH tunning

Unread postby decipha » Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:51 pm

ah yea you've been out the look for a while, the eec tuner was back around 02 iirc

i dont know what dlg widebands are but i recommend the aem's they are prob the best widebands you can buy for under a 1,000

tunerpro rt is free, just has a nag msg to encourage donating, it all works 100% from the jump

the SL hooks up between the QH and the laptop, either the QH has to be or the SL to the QH in order to make changes or datalog, you can also datalog through the SL itself by pressing the button on it to start the log and pressing it again to stop the log after you have it configured correctly, then you can read the log in to tunerpro afterward

theres a 4 wire cable that connects from the side of the QH to the SL, the SL then has a usb port that connects to your laptop, there a bypass button on the superlogger to bypass the SL and interface the QH directly for making tune changes, you cannot make tune changes while logging through the superlogger, you have to flip the bypass switch on the side of the superlogger and put it in bypass mode to connect direct to the qh to read and write changes

no the strategy is for the ecu, the ADX file is to datalog either the QH or the SL. I have the SL supported by the universal adx but i recently rewrote the datalogging patch code to speed it up by doing direct memory access. GUFX which is the foxbody startegy i updated only the QH side and not the SL side. Either way it will work you'll just have to have a SL adx file and a QH adx file for now.

I've been having a superlogger on my marauder for a couple years now. Its excellent I highly recommend it.
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Re: New to QH tunning

Unread postby Peter92lx » Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:55 pm

The DLG-1 is innovate dual LC-1 using a single gauge to monitor both wide bands. Can I play around with the QH and superlogger if there not installed in the car? Can they run off USB power or do they have an independent power source? It would be nice to just dig around the tuning software to start getting used to making changes.
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A9L DLG-1 Wide bands
TunerPro RT 5
Quarter Horse
Superlogger
Big bore 347
Compression 9.8:1
CHP 347E cam
AFR 185
Pro-M 30lb injectors
75mm PRO-M MAF
WC T5
N/A
JBA Headers
Magnaflow Catted X-pipe
Flowmaster Stainless exhaust

Re: New to QH tunning

Unread postby decipha » Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:56 pm

you dont need to have it plugged in to do that, tunerpro is on the homepage along with the gufx def a9l2 base tune file and qh and sl adx logging files for it as well
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93 auto - Danika
94 5spd Rionda
95 auto Aisha
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Re: New to QH tunning

Unread postby Peter92lx » Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:41 am

Cool that will work. Other then then then QH, SL and wide bands is there anything else you suggest I purchase for tuning?
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A9L DLG-1 Wide bands
TunerPro RT 5
Quarter Horse
Superlogger
Big bore 347
Compression 9.8:1
CHP 347E cam
AFR 185
Pro-M 30lb injectors
75mm PRO-M MAF
WC T5
N/A
JBA Headers
Magnaflow Catted X-pipe
Flowmaster Stainless exhaust

Re: New to QH tunning

Unread postby decipha » Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:25 am

a comfy pillow to read and absorb it all
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93 auto - Danika
94 5spd Rionda
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Re: New to QH tunning

Unread postby Peter92lx » Sun Mar 25, 2018 11:48 am

Do you have any recommendations on a laptop to use? I run all mac and don't feel like running bootcamp on it to run windows 10 since I mainly need it for work. I was looking at a really basic laptop since you can pick them up from $300-$400 bucks. I couldn't find minimum system specs on TunerPro. I thought about running a virtual machine windows 10 but I know there can be performance issues with virtual machines.
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Vehicle Information: 1992 Ford Mustang LX
A9L DLG-1 Wide bands
TunerPro RT 5
Quarter Horse
Superlogger
Big bore 347
Compression 9.8:1
CHP 347E cam
AFR 185
Pro-M 30lb injectors
75mm PRO-M MAF
WC T5
N/A
JBA Headers
Magnaflow Catted X-pipe
Flowmaster Stainless exhaust

Re: New to QH tunning

Unread postby decipha » Sun Mar 25, 2018 12:00 pm

i have a $200 netbook i use, minimum requirements for tunerpro is just windows

you can search for moates handheld and get a $50 tablet
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93 auto - Danika
94 5spd Rionda
95 auto Aisha
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Re: New to QH tunning

Unread postby Peter92lx » Wed Mar 28, 2018 4:30 pm

I ordered the QH and SL today. I'm going to pick up TunerPro RT 5 from there site tomorrow. I ended up getting a cheap windows 10 laptop. I was wondering what's the lead time on one of your tunes? I'm basically rebuilding the car from scratch so I don't have a known working vehicle there is a part of me that thinks it would be better to pay you to write the tune so I will know its right. My worry is I get into a situation where the car won't start or something else and I don't know if its a hardware problem or a software problem.
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A9L DLG-1 Wide bands
TunerPro RT 5
Quarter Horse
Superlogger
Big bore 347
Compression 9.8:1
CHP 347E cam
AFR 185
Pro-M 30lb injectors
75mm PRO-M MAF
WC T5
N/A
JBA Headers
Magnaflow Catted X-pipe
Flowmaster Stainless exhaust

Re: New to QH tunning

Unread postby decipha » Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:13 pm

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92 (2x) 5spd & auto - Bianqa, Andrea
93 auto - Danika
94 5spd Rionda
95 auto Aisha
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Re: New to QH tunning

Unread postby Peter92lx » Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:33 am

I have two ECU's for my car the A9S it came with and an unopened A9L I got some time ago. Which one would be the best to start with or does it even matter?
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A9L DLG-1 Wide bands
TunerPro RT 5
Quarter Horse
Superlogger
Big bore 347
Compression 9.8:1
CHP 347E cam
AFR 185
Pro-M 30lb injectors
75mm PRO-M MAF
WC T5
N/A
JBA Headers
Magnaflow Catted X-pipe
Flowmaster Stainless exhaust

Re: New to QH tunning

Unread postby decipha » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:46 am

they are both 100% identical
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93 auto - Danika
94 5spd Rionda
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Re: New to QH tunning

Unread postby Peter92lx » Sat Mar 31, 2018 10:43 am

I'm working on setting the injector offset in the A9L2 tune. I put in all data for the 30lb injectors I have for the car when I commit the changes the main VBAT settings setting stayed the same but the mSecs change a bit from what I set. I was wondering if that's normal is recalculating based on another factor? The injectors I have list a 0.000014 break point. I see there are two injector break point settings FN389 which is lb/rev and the other that lb/mass I'm guessing I set the one with lb/mass to the 0.000014 for all 8 cells.
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A9L DLG-1 Wide bands
TunerPro RT 5
Quarter Horse
Superlogger
Big bore 347
Compression 9.8:1
CHP 347E cam
AFR 185
Pro-M 30lb injectors
75mm PRO-M MAF
WC T5
N/A
JBA Headers
Magnaflow Catted X-pipe
Flowmaster Stainless exhaust

Re: New to QH tunning

Unread postby Peter92lx » Sat Mar 31, 2018 11:16 am

I'm also setting up the Spark Extended FN904A/FN2200. I have AFR 185 heads on the new engine so based on that 36-27=9 so I add 9 to all cells by high lighting them setting the value to 9.0 and hitting execute. This should get me started with the Spark extended but I will have to do more fine tuning once the car is running.
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Vehicle Information: 1992 Ford Mustang LX
A9L DLG-1 Wide bands
TunerPro RT 5
Quarter Horse
Superlogger
Big bore 347
Compression 9.8:1
CHP 347E cam
AFR 185
Pro-M 30lb injectors
75mm PRO-M MAF
WC T5
N/A
JBA Headers
Magnaflow Catted X-pipe
Flowmaster Stainless exhaust

Re: New to QH tunning

Unread postby Peter92lx » Sat Mar 31, 2018 1:00 pm

When I'm setting the Crank PW ECT FN348 I take the number I get when I calculate 19/30 * 347/302=0.727 multiply it by the ECT numbers and change the values in the ECT cells to what I get when I multiply them. Do I change all the cells 1-9 or just some of them?
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Vehicle Information: 1992 Ford Mustang LX
A9L DLG-1 Wide bands
TunerPro RT 5
Quarter Horse
Superlogger
Big bore 347
Compression 9.8:1
CHP 347E cam
AFR 185
Pro-M 30lb injectors
75mm PRO-M MAF
WC T5
N/A
JBA Headers
Magnaflow Catted X-pipe
Flowmaster Stainless exhaust

Re: New to QH tunning

Unread postby decipha » Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:21 pm

no leave the ects and only change the msec

the vbat didnt change cuz the reference voltage is the same

functions interpolate, so usually just the y axis needs adjustment
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93 auto - Danika
94 5spd Rionda
95 auto Aisha
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00 Explorer 5L - Bernyce

Re: New to QH tunning

Unread postby Peter92lx » Fri Apr 06, 2018 5:48 pm

I'm getting ready to input my MAF transfer sheet. There are two tables MAFv and MAF I know MAFv is the most important one but I figure I have to change both. Do I only change the Kg/Hr column on both? The transfer sheet has two columns "Set Point Kg/Hr" the other is "Stand Kg/Hr which column should I input into the MAF Kg/Hr columns? Here's a picture of my transfer sheet for reference.
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Vehicle Information: 1992 Ford Mustang LX
A9L DLG-1 Wide bands
TunerPro RT 5
Quarter Horse
Superlogger
Big bore 347
Compression 9.8:1
CHP 347E cam
AFR 185
Pro-M 30lb injectors
75mm PRO-M MAF
WC T5
N/A
JBA Headers
Magnaflow Catted X-pipe
Flowmaster Stainless exhaust

Re: New to QH tunning

Unread postby Peter92lx » Sat Apr 07, 2018 9:35 am

i did some research and it looks like I use the Stand Kg/Hr for the MAF.
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Vehicle Information: 1992 Ford Mustang LX
A9L DLG-1 Wide bands
TunerPro RT 5
Quarter Horse
Superlogger
Big bore 347
Compression 9.8:1
CHP 347E cam
AFR 185
Pro-M 30lb injectors
75mm PRO-M MAF
WC T5
N/A
JBA Headers
Magnaflow Catted X-pipe
Flowmaster Stainless exhaust

Re: New to QH tunning

Unread postby decipha » Sat Apr 07, 2018 4:03 pm

yea the stand is correct

when they flow a maf the stand nozzle is a fixed flow nozzle, the voltage at that stand flow is what you need to get
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91 4r70w - Skarlett
92 (2x) 5spd & auto - Bianqa, Andrea
93 auto - Danika
94 5spd Rionda
95 auto Aisha
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98 Camaro SS - Bounquisha
02 Harley F-150 - Sasasha
03 Marauder - DyShyKy
00 Explorer 5L - Bernyce

Re: New to QH tunning

Unread postby Peter92lx » Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:01 am

I have a question for you about my MAF setup. I’m not going to be able to smog my car with the Pro-M MAF on the car since it doesn’t have a CARB number. I’m finding there is not much in the way of CARB legal MAF sensors. I’m looking at getting a C&L one that has a CARB number for it. It uses the stock electronics and meter tubes to adjust for injector size. Now I could get it find a stock sensor or a stock replacement one from Standard, Walker, Delphi or Spectra. Another thought was taking the electronics from the Pro-M 75mm and putting it into the C&L housing. The C&L is only 1mm bigger I can remove the sample tube since the Pro-M doesn’t use one place the sensor at the same height in the C&L housing as its in the Pro-M. Do you think this would be a bad idea I know in your MAF write up you say to use MAF sensors with the housing they come with due to flow. Since the Pro-M sensor doesn’t use a sample tube and there only one 1mm off size with tuning do you think this would work.
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Vehicle Information: 1992 Ford Mustang LX
A9L DLG-1 Wide bands
TunerPro RT 5
Quarter Horse
Superlogger
Big bore 347
Compression 9.8:1
CHP 347E cam
AFR 185
Pro-M 30lb injectors
75mm PRO-M MAF
WC T5
N/A
JBA Headers
Magnaflow Catted X-pipe
Flowmaster Stainless exhaust

Re: New to QH tunning

Unread postby decipha » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:54 pm

you can make anything work just simply dial it in
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91 4r70w - Skarlett
92 (2x) 5spd & auto - Bianqa, Andrea
93 auto - Danika
94 5spd Rionda
95 auto Aisha
Vehicle 2 Information: Others:
00 Lincoln LS - Luanda
98 Camaro SS - Bounquisha
02 Harley F-150 - Sasasha
03 Marauder - DyShyKy
00 Explorer 5L - Bernyce

Re: New to QH tunning

Unread postby Peter92lx » Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:34 pm

After doing more research on the A9L2 it looks like all the smog equipment is disabled in the tune. Would it be better to start with a stock A9L GUFB or with the A9L2 and just enable the smog equipment.
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Vehicle Information: 1992 Ford Mustang LX
A9L DLG-1 Wide bands
TunerPro RT 5
Quarter Horse
Superlogger
Big bore 347
Compression 9.8:1
CHP 347E cam
AFR 185
Pro-M 30lb injectors
75mm PRO-M MAF
WC T5
N/A
JBA Headers
Magnaflow Catted X-pipe
Flowmaster Stainless exhaust

Re: New to QH tunning

Unread postby decipha » Thu Apr 19, 2018 5:38 pm

just turn the smog pump on simple as a scalar
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91 4r70w - Skarlett
92 (2x) 5spd & auto - Bianqa, Andrea
93 auto - Danika
94 5spd Rionda
95 auto Aisha
Vehicle 2 Information: Others:
00 Lincoln LS - Luanda
98 Camaro SS - Bounquisha
02 Harley F-150 - Sasasha
03 Marauder - DyShyKy
00 Explorer 5L - Bernyce

Re: New to QH tunning

Unread postby Peter92lx » Sun Apr 22, 2018 5:42 pm

I setup TunerPro to compare the A9L2 to the stock A9L bin so I set pfehp and thermactor to the stock A9L settings. Are there any other setting I need to change for the smog equipment or is it only the pfehp and thermactor? Will the changes I made to those setting affect other parts of the tune?
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Vehicle Information: 1992 Ford Mustang LX
A9L DLG-1 Wide bands
TunerPro RT 5
Quarter Horse
Superlogger
Big bore 347
Compression 9.8:1
CHP 347E cam
AFR 185
Pro-M 30lb injectors
75mm PRO-M MAF
WC T5
N/A
JBA Headers
Magnaflow Catted X-pipe
Flowmaster Stainless exhaust


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