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Tuning a 2001 Ford Puma 1.7 possible?

Unread postby joshua551 » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:02 am

Hello everyone,

I am Joshua and I live in the Netherlands.
At the moment I am ghatering information about a turbo conversion for my Ford Puma. Aiming for about 180bhp at 7 psi with a garrett t25 a/r .48 turbo.
Now my biggest concernes are about the engine management. Mechanically Im confident enough to put it together.
Now I've been reading a lot about the Moates Quaterhorse and the EEC V computer in general. Question is, what would i need software wise to tune my puma? Can I just plug the QH into my ecu and use the TunerPro RT software and tune my vehicle? Do I need to find out what strategy my ecu uses or is there some sort of universal strategy? The things I want to change are just spark and fuelling. The car has VCT, but i don't want to change these settings.
Any info about tuning my car with the QH would be very helpfull.

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Engine: 4-cil Zetec se (sigma), 1.7L, 125bhp, 157Nm, VCT (Variable Cam Timing)
Got 2 diffrent ecu's for it: TAPE (1-lambda ecu), QQ0P (2-lambda ecu)
Compression: 10.3:1
Bore*stroke: 80mm*83.5mm
DOHC 16 valve with VCT
All aluminium block and head with magnesium cam cover.
Planning on turbo conversion.
ECU info: http://www.atpelectronics.co.uk/c/ford-puma-petrol-ecu

Re: Tuning a 2001 Ford Puma 1.7 possible?

Unread postby jsa » Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:09 am

Welcome.

You need a definition for your strategy. A definition is in effect an index to the code in your eec-v. A strategy amounts to the way the EEC code is structured and written, and how the hardware is used.

Find out the strategy name for those two catchcodes, the next step is to find out if someone has created a definition for it.

If a definition already exists, then that will determine whether you need Tuner Pro or Binary Editor or whatever.

You can plug a QH in and use TP to read out the code in your EEC. Beyond that you need a definition or the skills to identify where the tables, you want to change, reside. If you have those skills then you could create a definition.

There is no universal strategy. EEC- V is a generic family name for a variety of hardware and strategies.

If sailorbob misses this thread, PM him.

Google the search terms xanthe and EEC, might turn up a bit of info.
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Re: Tuning a 2001 Ford Puma 1.7 possible?

Unread postby decipha » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:20 am

hey josh welcome to the forum

also the hardware code is important it will identify if the strategy can be swapped on it which may give you other tuning options as well.
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Re: Tuning a 2001 Ford Puma 1.7 possible?

Unread postby joshua551 » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:37 am

First, thanks for the information. :D
Now, the catch code, is that the name written on the label of the ECU? In that case, I've got 2 ecu's for my Puma. 1 is from a 2000MY wich has the letters TAPE written on the label, the other is from a 2001MY wich has the letters QQP0 written on it.
the ecu's are swappable for my car. only diffrence is the TAPE uses 1 lambda and the QQP0 uses 2 lambdas (pre and post cat converter).
Where can I find the hardware code for the ECU?

Also, i found some info in this forum where there are some documents attached.
http://eectuning.org/forums/viewtopic.p ... 0c2c9cc0cb

At the moment I don't have a QH. Before I buy this I would like to know for sure if I i can use it at all with my ecu.

Think I'm gonna download TunerPro when I'm home. Gonna have a play around the programm and see if I can understand how the programm works and what it needs. Also gonna download the .rar files attached in the forum I found.
Looks like it's not gonna be easy, but if it works eventually it will be all worth it I think. Always good to learn new stuff :roll:
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Engine: 4-cil Zetec se (sigma), 1.7L, 125bhp, 157Nm, VCT (Variable Cam Timing)
Got 2 diffrent ecu's for it: TAPE (1-lambda ecu), QQ0P (2-lambda ecu)
Compression: 10.3:1
Bore*stroke: 80mm*83.5mm
DOHC 16 valve with VCT
All aluminium block and head with magnesium cam cover.
Planning on turbo conversion.
ECU info: http://www.atpelectronics.co.uk/c/ford-puma-petrol-ecu

Re: Tuning a 2001 Ford Puma 1.7 possible?

Unread postby jsa » Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:19 pm

Your hardware codes are LP2-111 and LP2-318. They are on the white lable as well.

It appears that the hardware is specific to Puma's. Had a laugh at some of the other catchcodes like DUDE MUFF DIVE TEAT.

Give MBURNS over on eectuning a PM he might have got somewhere with disassembly and a definition.

That's the way, plenty new stuff to learn around here. Have a look through this sites home page for getting started and disassembly. There is similar info on eectuning though more scattered.
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Re: Tuning a 2001 Ford Puma 1.7 possible?

Unread postby jsa » Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:59 pm

Had a quick look in the puma files at EECtuning and the strategy name and versions are;
AXPDCB2
AXPDCB3
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Re: Tuning a 2001 Ford Puma 1.7 possible?

Unread postby joshua551 » Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:54 am

Thanks all, all the info helps me a lot.
Some really smart people on here.

jsa wrote:Had a quick look in the puma files at EECtuning and the strategy name and versions are;
AXPDCB2
AXPDCB3


Thanks, tried to search if ther are some def files existing for this strategy but couldn't find one. Seems like I've got to make it myself. :? Got to learn something new.

jsa wrote:Your hardware codes are LP2-111 and LP2-318. They are on the white lable as well.


Ok, thanks. Question I've got: Were do I need this code for?

jsa wrote:It appears that the hardware is specific to Puma's. Had a laugh at some of the other catchcodes like DUDE MUFF DIVE TEAT.


Think ford engineers had a laugh when they were making these codes for the ecu's to :lol:

jsa wrote:Give MBURNS over on eectuning a PM he might have got somewhere with disassembly and a definition.

That's the way, plenty new stuff to learn around here. Have a look through this sites home page for getting started and disassembly. There is similar info on eectuning though more scattered.


Will do both, thanks a lot
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Engine: 4-cil Zetec se (sigma), 1.7L, 125bhp, 157Nm, VCT (Variable Cam Timing)
Got 2 diffrent ecu's for it: TAPE (1-lambda ecu), QQ0P (2-lambda ecu)
Compression: 10.3:1
Bore*stroke: 80mm*83.5mm
DOHC 16 valve with VCT
All aluminium block and head with magnesium cam cover.
Planning on turbo conversion.
ECU info: http://www.atpelectronics.co.uk/c/ford-puma-petrol-ecu

Re: Tuning a 2001 Ford Puma 1.7 possible?

Unread postby jsa » Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:02 am

joshua551 wrote:
jsa wrote:Your hardware codes are LP2-111 and LP2-318. They are on the white lable as well.


Ok, thanks. Question I've got: Were do I need this code for?


Sometimes the hardware is common to many strategies. So it is possible to run other strategies on your hardware. If those other strategies have definitions already, then it is possible to use that code on your hardware. In any case an alternate strategy would have to support VCT and any other vehicle specific features.
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Re: Tuning a 2001 Ford Puma 1.7 possible?

Unread postby joshua551 » Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:46 am

Ok, now thats clear to me. I doubt there would be any other strategy that can be used as the Puma is the only ford car to make use of the 1.7 sigma engine. ther are some smaller capacity sigma engines, but they don't us VCT.
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Engine: 4-cil Zetec se (sigma), 1.7L, 125bhp, 157Nm, VCT (Variable Cam Timing)
Got 2 diffrent ecu's for it: TAPE (1-lambda ecu), QQ0P (2-lambda ecu)
Compression: 10.3:1
Bore*stroke: 80mm*83.5mm
DOHC 16 valve with VCT
All aluminium block and head with magnesium cam cover.
Planning on turbo conversion.
ECU info: http://www.atpelectronics.co.uk/c/ford-puma-petrol-ecu

Re: Tuning a 2001 Ford Puma 1.7 possible?

Unread postby decipha » Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:25 am

the size of the engine is irrelevant as long as it has the vct code thats all that matters

if theres a bunch of interest in it ill consider breaking it out, would be cool to check out how henry wrote his vct code
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Re: Tuning a 2001 Ford Puma 1.7 possible?

Unread postby ranga83 » Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:34 pm

decipha wrote: would be cool to check out how henry wrote his vct code

That WTB0 zip file i pm'd you is vct
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Re: Tuning a 2001 Ford Puma 1.7 possible?

Unread postby jsa » Sat Jan 21, 2017 5:24 am

Post it up, be interesting to compare to the puma.
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Re: Tuning a 2001 Ford Puma 1.7 possible?

Unread postby ranga83 » Sat Jan 21, 2017 5:49 am

jsa wrote:Post it up, be interesting to compare to the puma.

Will do in the aussie thread when i get back to my laptop
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Re: Tuning a 2001 Ford Puma 1.7 possible?

Unread postby joshua551 » Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:50 am

Wow, really great support here.

decipha wrote:if theres a bunch of interest in it ill consider breaking it out, would be cool to check out how henry wrote his vct code


Atm there is not a bunch of interest for the puma I think. But one's the code is broken I can see a lot of people in the UK, the Netherlands and Bermany who will be intrested ones they know. I will surely give some great reviews about this if it works :mrgreen:
I think the problem at the moment is that not a lot of people in europe know that it is possible to hack the EEC pcm. Therefore a lot of people chose to go piggiback/standalone ecu. imo it's better if you can keep the standard ecu. Things like cold starts etc. are just better programmed by the OEM than a tuner can do in one dyno session.
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Engine: 4-cil Zetec se (sigma), 1.7L, 125bhp, 157Nm, VCT (Variable Cam Timing)
Got 2 diffrent ecu's for it: TAPE (1-lambda ecu), QQ0P (2-lambda ecu)
Compression: 10.3:1
Bore*stroke: 80mm*83.5mm
DOHC 16 valve with VCT
All aluminium block and head with magnesium cam cover.
Planning on turbo conversion.
ECU info: http://www.atpelectronics.co.uk/c/ford-puma-petrol-ecu

Re: Tuning a 2001 Ford Puma 1.7 possible?

Unread postby Pym » Sat Mar 25, 2017 1:52 am

Atm there is not a bunch of interest for the puma I think. But one's the code is broken I can see a lot of people in the UK, the Netherlands and Bermany who will be intrested ones they know. I will surely give some great reviews about this if it works :mrgreen:
I think the problem at the moment is that not a lot of people in europe know that it is possible to hack the EEC pcm. Therefore a lot of people chose to go piggiback/standalone ecu. imo it's better if you can keep the standard ecu. Things like cold starts etc. are just better programmed by the OEM than a tuner can do in one dyno session.

No one is really trying to hack this code, because they are really happy to use the already existing FRP Puma software or map on it. It is perfect for standard engine and some elements changed.
On my side, I will try to create a definition file for them, just to understand where are the differences, based on my MUFF ECU. If you already have the binary files, it could help.
But just one question, how will you manage the required MAP sensor for a turbo engine ?
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