Nickerson, Erick (95)

[decipha]

Erick,

Load this in and we will see how them china 42s work out, if its rich shut it off, by rich i mean less than 12:1 after a minute of idling

before you load it in, open the throttle body stop screw by 3 complete turns to allow the engine to breathe

[347MustangStroker]

sounds good Sir. I will load it when I get home from work tomorrow and let you know. Thanks Again for your help. Have a good one.

[347MustangStroker]

got one error message upon opening.

Stoichiometric A/R Ratio is at 57658. comes up as error on the scalar list. What do you want me to put in here?

Z_AFR - The nominal stoichiometric A/F ratio for the fuel being used. When changing this parameter you also need to change the A/F ratio in BE under the 'Fuel Settings' option to match the following values:

14.64 = Gasoline
14.35 = E5
14.08 = E10
13.79 = E15
13.49 = E20
12.92 = E30
12.38 = E40
11.82 = E50
11.26 = E60
10.68 = E70 (aka E85 winter blend in US)
9.77 = E85
9.01 = E100
14.77 = C16
15.50 = LPG
17.20 = CNG

[decipha]

yeah i figured it would pop up with that, my def doesn't have an enumeration so i can plug in any value i want, just select e10 and all is well

[347MustangStroker]

i input 14.08 but it still shows error. it did not have the drop down box to select E10. just a scalar input into the box.

Z_AFR Stoichiometric A/F Ratio 14 Error

14.08 was entered and it rounded to 14. should i just run it or do you want to send me a new file?

[decipha]

no it fine thats no biggie just a little enumeration in the software thats incorrect, the tune is fine

[347MustangStroker]

ok I will load and run it when i get home from work today with the entered scalar for the E10. For the fuel pressure, what should I set it to? set it with key on and engine off to start with? what would be a good setting for this before the engine runs?

[decipha]

with the key on clear the qh kam memory in the hardware »» moates settings

the pump will run continuously with a corrupt tune

set the pressure to 40 and lock the set screw

then go write your tune, cycle the key and fire it up

make sure the pump only primes a sec when you turn the ignition back on

[347MustangStroker]

First time it cranked good and seemed to fire right up. for about a second then as it went into running mode it died. i then started the datalog and cranked for 8 seconds or so. it did not start. may be flooded. will a plug and see.

file attached.

[347MustangStroker]

looking at the data above, my guess is the idle air controller is dead. looks like it is going into 100% duty cycle with no results. yes it's plugged in. ha ha. i am going to call and get a price on a new one.

[decipha]

put them complete turns on the set screw and fire it up

[decipha]

whoa nvm

did you seriously hold it in the crank position for 8 seconds without holding the throttle to the floor to shut off the injectors?

you need to change the oil and pull the plugs

[347MustangStroker]

set screw was turned 3 full revs at the beginning. how does the idle air look? i am about to go to the store and purchase a new controller. let me know what the data tells you. does the iac work in crank mode? i will pull the oil and plugs but this motor needs to idle tonight or its going on a flatbed in the morning.

[decipha]

the engine never ran much less wasn't idling stable at warm operating temp to even attempt to look at idle air

yes iac works during crank its wide open 99%

don't be surprised if the engine doesn't even run at all with the knock off china 42s in it

heres an updated tune with the crank pw being killed after a few pips to prevent it flooding so badly, if the engine doesn't fire off after a second of cranking, hold the throttle to the floor to shut off the injectors

[347MustangStroker]

ok so the car has run with the POS 42's so i dont want to start the conersation with those injectors. as i mentioned, the car fired up on the first turn of the ignition. no issues. but it died after it ran for a second. if the injectors were bad it wouldnt have cranked the first time. i hate to place the blame on china injectors from square one. its TOO EASY. not to mention would all 8 injectors die at the same time? thinking the car would attempt to turn over even if 2 injectors failed at the same time.

i did attempt to start the motor while using the throttle and it wanted to start, however i do not want this motor to fire at 6000 in its initial running of the bulls. this is not a seasoned motor, so unless we can get the motor to start and idle with little feedback from the throttle we may be done here....

being new at this, no i did not have any idea that i needed to go WOT to close the fuel off. i mean it doesnt even make intuitive sense does it?

i need a tune to start and idle the motor with little WOT response required. this new motor will not see anything over 3K until atleast 15 minutes of run time and atleast a warmed up engine. at itinitial stages to go WOT is plain stupid. even if it is to get the initial tunes to chug the motor to collect some data. not interested. we will try some other tunes without getting crazy here. this is why i asked about the 19 year old IAC possibly needing replaced. being that it is 50 bucks i will most likely replace it tonight anyways....

hope you see where i am coming from here Michael. this motor still needs to be broken in and yes i will drain the oil as i have done in the past when i attempted to get the motor to idle.

[347MustangStroker]

I ran both of the tunes with and without the MAF sensor unplugged and I could get it to fire for maybe a second, but not stay running. Even at WOT i left it to the floor and it struggled to start, but shut off after a second.

I pulled the QH off of the main motherboard and went back to the base stock tune. Car fired and ran for 10 seconds or so. I had to play with the throttle but it did run. this was with the MAF plugged in. This leads me to narrow it down to the tune as of now. I will replace the MSD as we mentioned as well the china 42's, but with the stock tune allowing the motor to stay running, we need to look into the tune first.

Any Ideas? as mentioned, the car started great the very first time i hit the key today. with the first tune you sent me, idle screw turned 3 times when screw first hits the linkage, fuel pressure at 40psi, and the AFR at 14.1 keted into the scaler as we mentioned. I verified the tune from the computer and it held the 14.1 value.

IAC is good as I mentioned on the phone. turned over the motor 1/2 second and watched the plunger move the piston.

I turned it off after 9PM as I have to respect the neighbors as i mentioned. Any Ideas on another base tune?

Thanks,

Erick.

[347MustangStroker]

Why does the tune show number of HEGO's as ONE? im confused.

[decipha]

in your info i seen you had an x merge so I disabled hego2

if u can get her to run on the stock tune load it back up and log it, start the log before you crank the engine and let it log until it dies, zip that log and post it thatll give us the ide mafv and pw info we need

[347MustangStroker]

An x merge? Yes I have a prochamber x pipe but nothing unlike any other stock mustang with dual exhaust. Stock has a cross pipe, H pipe, but still uses 2 HEGOs BEFORE the H pipe. This motor has longtube headers with a narrowband in EACH collector. And the wideband is located in the passenger collector opposite the narrowband. Not next to it. We discussed on the phone remember? So by myself paying you 450 I do not feel this is my responsibility to correct for these oversights on your part. As well the agreement and instructions on your website is for YOU to send me a baseline tune to get this combo to IDLE to be able to go from there and collect data. This has not happened. This is not my responsibility. This is yours thus the 450 dollars I have sent you. Michael I ask you to send me a tune that will get this motor running and idling with the current combo of parts on the motor. This is part of the deal that needs yo happen very soon or you owe me a FULL refund.

You had told me it was the junk msd dizzy. It was not. I have also replaced the oil and filter as the car did not run with the base tune you sent me but yes I am to blame as I did not know to stop attempting to start the motor on the faulty tune you emailed me. Michael you need yo understand that we have made a deal to get this car running by you sending me a workable tune. Not by me using the stock tune and collecting data which I do not know how to do since the QH is removed from the computer and I told you I do NOT know how to use EEC analyzer as of yet. Are you requesting that I spend my weekend learning EEC wideband software when I just paid you 450 dollars to get my motor running?

Please send me a base tune that will allow the motor to idle. This is my request and in alignment with the original agreement. If this can not be performed by you by the end of the weekend please refund my 450 to me using PayPal or I will be disputing this case on PayPal.

And please stop easily blaming the hardware when I find errors in your tune such as the hego one I found earlier. I expect a robust base tune and I have not received it yet. Yes this is how I get when I pay for services and do not receive full support. Let Me ask you this. Please send me a tune that starts this motor.

[347MustangStroker]

Went to fix my signature and no where does it say I have a merged x. Michael I need you to please put forth 100% effort on creating me a robust base tune. If this can not be done please let me know asap.

Erick.

[decipha]

stock mustangs do not come with x pipes, the hegos will read incorrectly due to scavenging of an X pipe, its not an oversight its simple physics, you as an engineer should know this, I have an x-pipe thread that gives the specifics if you wish to learn more thus the 1 hego was not an oversight it was a necessary tune adjustment that less than 1% of tuners are aware of or even know how to do correctly

I cannot get your vehicle to idle with mechanical issues, no tune can correct that, not to mention I only agreed to 'test' the tune with those 42s you have, the agreement we made was that we would ONLY 'try' to get the 42s to run while you await the 80s to come in, what you fail to realize is that injectors need to be very accurate to deliver accurate fueling, this is why people spend extra money on flow matched injectors, your china 42s are manufactured with poor to no quality control and are more than likely not even close to being flow matched, the #1 cause of engine failures are from running lean, with china made knock off injectors you could very well have one injector running 10:1 AFR and another running 17:1, not saying this is your problem I'm letting you know for the next person that you bring the vehicle to for a tune you will have to replace the injectors as we discussed

You have 42lb injectors and a meter calibrated for 42s, if your vehicle does not run perfectly fine on the stock tune then you need to resolve the issues you have

MSD distributors are absolute garbage, even when they do work they don't do a very good job and even then they don't usually function for long at that

Im not one to hold a grudge so in the future when you get your engine functioning correctly I'll be here to help answer any of questions you have, no hard feelings on my part

I have refunded your $450, I wish you well with your vehicle, enjoy the FREE custom tune I made for you when you do get your mechanical issues resolved

BTW, if you are not aware, I am the foremost expert on the 94-95 ecu's specifically, you will not find anyone else in the world that understands these specific ECU's anywhere near as much as I do, so if you truly believe the tune is to blame you are mistaken, I have tuned 100's of 94-95 ECU's and I've never had any issues that I couldnt resolve on any of them not a single one.