FBFG2 - got CHT finally working

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FBFG2 - got CHT finally working

Unread postby decipha » Wed May 13, 2015 3:30 pm

http://efidynotuning.com/fbfg2.htm

99-04 Mustang V6, 02-04 GT, 03/04 Cobra
99-03 F-150, Lightning, Harley Davidson
**99-04 Crown Victoria / Grand Marquis / Marauder / Town Car / Continental / Navigator / Blackwood
**Doesn't control cluster, pats, or starter interrupt on 03/04 luxury vehicles

So I finally got FBFG2 to read CHT correctly in my Harley Truck. It was both of the CHT Transfers and the CHT to ECT Correlation function being set wrong. I guess Henry figured since no stock fbfg2 equipped vehicle will have a stock CHT they should toss an incorrect transfer in there knowing decipha would have to figure it out one day. I plugged in sane values and she came to life.

Im posting this mainly to raise awareness.

I'll be adding some base tunes on the homepage soon as I get some free time.

I'll be attempting to take a stab at 4 cylinder CoP as well since Henry never seen fit, wont be anytime soon though.

If you have any corrections or additions for the fbfg2 def or logging adx let me know and ill add it in
these are updated quite often so check back regularly

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Re: FBFG2 - All 99-04 Mustangs & 99-03 F-150

Unread postby ironmanisanemic » Mon May 18, 2015 12:42 am

Will a definition be available with your base tunes?
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Re: FBFG2 - All 99-04 Mustangs & 99-03 F-150

Unread postby decipha » Mon May 18, 2015 5:35 pm

thats the plan I been plugging away at it got a good bit of it disassembled, still needa work out the QH communications though
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Unread postby lowranger96 » Tue May 19, 2015 10:56 am

right on!
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Re: FBFG2 - All 99-04 Mustangs & 99-03 F-150

Unread postby ironmanisanemic » Tue Jun 30, 2015 8:35 pm

Wondering how this is coming along? Im anxiously waiting for it. I have a guy at work that has a 2000 Cobra that i want to persuade into letting me mess around with it a bit. Thanks again for taking this project on, I know there will be alot of people that will seriously appreciate this!
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Re: FBFG2 - All 99-04 Mustangs & 99-03 F-150

Unread postby decipha » Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:43 pm

it'll be a while, I have to work out the patch code for datalogging, I have it just about in the bag though

the biggest issue i have is with the trucks not reading the knock sensor and transients being too far off, otherwise everything else is perfect

the mustangs and 4.6s are pretty straight forward no issues there, the 03-04 cobras i still gotta work out iat2 and the sc bypass but its no big deal for now

I still gotta work out the 4r100 control too
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Re: FBFG2 - All 99-04 Mustangs & 99-03 F-150

Unread postby ironmanisanemic » Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:16 pm

I know this is probably a long shot, but i am wondering if you would be willing to release the SAD disassembly files for this strategy so others can learn from it? I know im quite curious what a fully broken out strategy looks like, and having all of the comments would really be nice to see how things work. Im sure im not the only one interested in making their own defs. Might make for a good basis to make a step by step guide to strategy development, basically showing each step from start to finish. I realize your a busy guy and you may not want to release all of your hard work, so if you dont want to i completely understand.
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Re: FBFG2 - All 99-04 Mustangs & 99-03 F-150

Unread postby decipha » Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:06 pm

that was the objective, im no where near completed with it though, theres still several hundred routines i have to decipha, Ive been stabbing away at it when i get free time which isnt too often but yes when im happy with where its at i will post my full listing directive and comments files so others can see exactly whats going on

that was the whole purpose in the disassembly write up to raise awareness, the good thing about eec-v is that most of the hardware is identical so my def file works on most all 99-04 fords
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Re: FBFG2 - All 99-04 Mustangs & 99-03 F-150

Unread postby ironmanisanemic » Mon Jul 13, 2015 10:34 pm

That is awesome to hear! Now i cant wait for you to finish this even more! Something like this is long overdue in my opinion. Too much of this has been shrowded in secrecy, privy to those with connections. Over on the other forum ive asked questions about where would be a good place to start learning assembly for these computers, and was basicly told to just figure it out on my own.
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Re: FBFG2 - All 99-04 Mustangs & 99-03 F-150

Unread postby decipha » Mon Jul 13, 2015 11:35 pm

yea thats how the tuning business is, those in the know guard their info

I on the other hand believe the more informed the community is the better we will be as a whole, thats why Ive made all the write ups I have and posted my base tune files for free for the world to enjoy and have this support forum, etc... The greatest wealth in life is the knowledge we possess. I spend an astronomical amount of my time maintaining and doing for the DIY community that it cuts into my personal and work life substantially. Yet, I still manage to carry out a ~60-70hr a week full time job in between. Ive asked myself is it worth it and I believe it is. If I learn just one single thing in the process then that time is well spent in my opinion. And the knowledge others gain from my teachings have a moral reward. I know what I can do. I have yet to figure out what I can't. Thats what pushes me to take it that much further.
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Re: FBFG2 - All 99-04 Mustangs & 99-03 F-150

Unread postby ironmanisanemic » Mon Jul 13, 2015 11:49 pm

Well i know that i am extremely glad that you do what you did the community. Im the same way about knowledge. It shouldn't be kept secret. I've often thought about what I could do to help the tuning world. I even went as far as getting a website that I was planning on continuing where the oldfuelinjection.com website left off and update the information to the times as well as add new articles. I was even thinking of doing a series of video interviews with companies and people in the tuning industry covering a wide range of topics. Unfortunately I'm not as good at juggling work, family, and personal endeavors as you and that project is laying dormant for now. But im still hopeful that i will find time to finish my project.
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Unread postby jsa » Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:22 am

That's a great ethos you have there Mike. Very much appreciated and to be applauded.
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Unread postby Shaker666 » Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:14 pm

Yep, thanks Mike for all the support over the years. Wouldn't have much running very well without you!
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Re: FBFG2 - All 99-04 Mustangs & 99-03 F-150

Unread postby decipha » Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:00 pm

thanks for the gratitude I really appreciate it

I havent been able to dick with her as much as id want to but ive slowly made some progress

most notably I found the interrupt mask to enable the knock sensors, havent actually tested it yet though
and since perload isnt used in fbfg2 the prldsw is null, not if decipha has anything to do with it, I have the fuel tables referencing perload now with my own code. I still have to add in fn320a so one can utilize overheat protection
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Re: FBFG2 - All 99-04 Mustangs & 99-03 F-150

Unread postby decipha » Tue Oct 06, 2015 2:22 pm

a little update

I just finished adding FN320A to fbfg2 !!!! for those that doesn't know what this mean its pretty significant, I've been holding off on it but I just managed to write it in less than an hour!!

I also have the transient fuel dialed in for the 5.4s which is significantly different than the 4.6s which means basically a sbf since the 5.4s and sbf's are pretty close transient wise

only issue remaining is the knock sensor and I have to rewrite my datalogging patch code as its not being shadowed / accessible on the mbus currently

next as far as hacks are concerned i'll be adding in a hi/lo spark modifier for automatic spark adjustment using the knock sensor and modify stoich as well so it becomes a flex fuel strategy as blundar requested for the 03-04 cobras
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Re: FBFG2 - All 99-04 Mustangs & 99-03 F-150

Unread postby decipha » Sun Oct 11, 2015 10:30 pm

well i plugged away at her some more, i had to redo my fn320 open loop ect threshold code since it was only active when the open loop tprel threshold wqs exceeded which is counter intuitive defeating the purpose

While i was at it i also added in a hysteresis so all is well now, fbfg2 finally has accurate overheat protection now

I added in fn301 a wot multiplier table which is basically what fn1360b is the base fuel table, but not i have it functioning as an actual wot fuel multiplier added to the alternate base fuel tables

Ive got all the transient fuel stuff sorted out well at least acceptable, 95% up to my standards

I got the registers logging correctly now too, the qh offset is absolute, so what i though was an invalid rom address is actually a qh memory address, pretty cool to access it like that

the only absolute last thing i have to sort out before a public release is the damn ass knock sensors, i still cant get my knock sensor to work, ive tried manipulating the mask and what not to enable it but i still cant find exactly what is disabling it, no matter what it reads 1023 counts and wont budge, ive got the code referencing it and it will yank out all the retard i allow due to the reading but nothing i can find to see why its coming up with such a faulty value
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Re: FBFG2 - All 99-04 Mustangs & 99-03 F-150

Unread postby Cougar281 » Mon Oct 12, 2015 10:22 am

Very cool work.

With the knock sensors. is it possible that something in the catch code you're working with is disabling them? The Mach1's had knock sensors (Although interestingly, it seems the Cobras didn't), so the code should work in at least some of the FBFG2 based catch codes.

How can you tell if the knock sensors are functioning? Edit: I guess it should read '0' counts unless there's knock detected?
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Re: FBFG2 - All 99-04 Mustangs & 99-03 F-150

Unread postby decipha » Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:16 am

Hey Dave here's where im at with my strategy file if you want to play with it, the password is decipha to open it

IIRC I believe i started my truck tune with the ptp2 catch code and I know for a fact they were disabled in there

WOW! why didn't I think of that? I just looked at a stock sym2 tune and it has 2 knock sensors enabled.

I see that I found the interrupt mask to enable it correctly and that my value of 3 was what was in the sym2 cal as well.. thats reassuring.

I'll go through the differences between my current tune and sym2 and see what I find.

btw, the knock sensors should read near 20 at idle and typically increase to 60ish in the high rpms at low loads, with more throttle comes more noise so its typical for them to jump up to near 100ish under acceleration

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Unread postby Cougar281 » Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:39 am

Thanks - I'll check it out later. I assume you have the two wire knock sensors hooked up to pins 23 (KS1-), 32 (KS2-), 57 (KS2+) and 102 (KS1+)?
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Unread postby decipha » Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:16 pm

go figure the fuckin knock sensor works now

its hooked up as factory equipped
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Unread postby ShadowDrake » Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:25 am

Cougar281 wrote:Thanks - I'll check it out later. I assume you have the two wire knock sensors hooked up to pins 23 (KS1-), 32 (KS2-), 57 (KS2+) and 102 (KS1+)?


I can give this a shot too as I'm very interested in this as well.

I've got a teksid block with the original knock sensors for it just not hooked up to anything. Using an RKN2 ECU with the FBFG2 strategy.

All the right stuff to test this out :)

If you can confirm that I should get the sensors wired up to those pins I'll get it done this weekend and can provide some additional feedback.
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Re: FBFG2 - All 99-04 Mustangs & 99-03 F-150

Unread postby decipha » Tue Oct 13, 2015 9:40 am

confirmed, no need in testing it works perfectly go ahead and hook it up and enjoy, I've been enjoying the knock sensor in my truck now since yesterday its reassuring, with 200k on the clock she doesn't take to kindly to detonation, too bad I didn't get it done sooner, I let a friend of mine borrow my truck and trailer a few weeks back while I was out of state and he filled it up with 87 octane :o to make matters worse he was hauling my trailer loaded with 2 4 wheelers, when I got home and tried to leave the house as soon as I hit the throttle to leave the driveway it was knocking horribly and i knew what happened, he told me it got horrible fuel economy and i should have put 2 and 2 together then, anywho he drove it over an hour like that hauling the trailer, I could only imagine how bad it was knocking as it had burnt over a quart of oil when i checked it

but anyway, when I get some time I'm going to port over my flex fuel code I wrote for the dec to the fbfg2 strategy so it will have a high octane & a low octane spark table as well as update stoich for the different fuel being burned and switch to a secondary crank pw multiplier table (think e85), should be nuckin' futs, won't be for a while though as I still have a crap ton of ram addresses to sort out before I can start readdressing ram

yesterday I went through the knock routines and found the knock sensor voltage addresses as well as the thresholds, detect, sensitivity etc... I added it to my payloads and the QH stopped logging, apparently it won't let me log anymore than 120 payloads at once, which I find is too coincidental being that you can only write 256 bytes per iteration, i just sent a txt to craig hopefully he tells me i screwed up something, I'd hate to have hit a clip limit lol I don't see how though being that the qh has a shit ton of memory and the ecu will serve everything i patch it to

what yall think of the strategy file layout? make sure you view it as parameter category otherwise you'll be lost
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Re: FBFG2 - All 99-04 Mustangs & 99-03 F-150

Unread postby decipha » Tue Oct 13, 2015 11:23 am

well i heard back from craig, i found the hard limit lol
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Unread postby Cougar281 » Tue Oct 13, 2015 1:55 pm

Looks good to me. It definately is easier to follow in 'parameter category' layout lol. It started up in 'Parameter order list' and was impossible to find anything.

I assume you got my PM about the bins? didn't want to crap up the thread with other banter.
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Re: FBFG2 - All 99-04 Mustangs & 99-03 F-150

Unread postby Cougar281 » Tue Oct 13, 2015 1:57 pm

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Cougar281 wrote:Thanks - I'll check it out later. I assume you have the two wire knock sensors hooked up to pins 23 (KS1-), 32 (KS2-), 57 (KS2+) and 102 (KS1+)?


I can give this a shot too as I'm very interested in this as well.

I've got a teksid block with the original knock sensors for it just not hooked up to anything. Using an RKN2 ECU with the FBFG2 strategy.

All the right stuff to test this out :)

If you can confirm that I should get the sensors wired up to those pins I'll get it done this weekend and can provide some additional feedback.


I'm not sure about the original sensors for the Teksid blocks. I'm using the newer 'doughnut' knock sensors that are found on the newer motors like the Mach1 (The sensors I took off the Teksid block I have were very different). The pins I listed are proper for the newer style sensors on the FBFG2 hardware (That's the wiring for the Mach1's).
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Re: FBFG2 - All 99-04 Mustangs & 99-03 F-150

Unread postby decipha » Tue Oct 13, 2015 2:10 pm

no i never got any PMs

you need a full size 256k binary, you can simply read out your existing tune with tunerpro and there you are
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Re: FBFG2 - All 99-04 Mustangs & 99-03 F-150

Unread postby Cougar281 » Tue Oct 13, 2015 2:17 pm

decipha wrote:no i never got any PMs

you need a full size 256k binary, you can simply read out your existing tune with tunerpro and there you are


The problem being I have not been able to get a good read of my PCM. Probably the Burn2 getting stupid. no two reads are the same (compared with a MD5 compare tool) and values are just wrong - for example, everything starting with VID is either 0 or 255, I've seen '0' and '58' in the fuel pump type (should not be '0' in a stock read, and have no idea what '58' would be). The tune you had and sent back to me opens with sane values in the mentioned fields, but I'd like to start with a blank slate.

This obviously has nothing to do with you, but it would be real nice if TunerPro, Moates, BE, etc all read the PCM & BINs in the same format (I seem to recall reading that BE does it in a differnet order), so a BIN created in one could be opened in another (reading using the 4-bank & BE using my QH seems fine).

Could you shoot me virgin PTP2 and SYM2 bins to gat going with?
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Re: FBFG2 - All 99-04 Mustangs & 99-03 F-150

Unread postby ironmanisanemic » Tue Oct 13, 2015 5:29 pm

So the Strat w/ logging and base tune are coming shortly?
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Re: FBFG2 - All 99-04 Mustangs & 99-03 F-150

Unread postby decipha » Tue Oct 13, 2015 6:28 pm

all fbfg2 stock bins posted in the original post in one zip file

yeah it won't be much longer, I still gotta finish up my dash for tunerpro, I'm trying to get some mileage on it so I can make it most useful, and now that im limited on the amount of payloads i can log i suppose i'll have to pick through and reorder them for the ones that I want most, albeit, 120 payloads aint no joke but i like more info than most for when im doing 'thangs'

coincidentially i have very close to 120 ish payload placeholders on the dash
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Re: FBFG2 - All 99-04 Mustangs & 99-03 F-150

Unread postby Cougar281 » Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:09 pm

I still see wierd VID block values that just don't work, and the 'pump driver', which should be a '1' in a stock PTP2 BIN is a 0, but other values I'm looking to in order to make the chages to this tune I need to run the car seem to line up fine. Is it normal for the VID block to have wacky values (the tune you sent back to me when we were testing the fuel pump driver issue I was having had sane values that lined up with your descriptions)?

A wee bit of feedback on the things I'm going down and changing based on my (real basic, for now) needs. Based on comparing to stock values from my tune in BE, your HSF On Temp, HSF Off Temp, and 1392e - lsf on all appear to be spot on (You have notes indicating that you need to verify). The values listed as the proper stock values in BE are the same as what are populated in the tune in TP - if you had the addresses wrong, I'd be real real surpriesed if it lined up and wasn't something wonky. A few DTCs I have disabled (P0193, P0446, P0453, P0462 & P1233) are listed as '2' in the stock tune, but are showing up as '1' in the TP stock tune. With the 'EGR Present Sw' (for the notes on the switch), from what I gather, '0' is Sonic, '1' is PFE & '2' is Disabled (Stock value of '1' is present) - unless that's a differnet value that's not listed or I've missed.

I also note that the 'HP_CIDSEL' is shown as 'patched' in the stock tune. The notes indicate this is related to the cam sensor, which all related 4.6's have, so I would think a stock tune shouldn't have this patched.

I was also looking down the 'Hardware/Switches' and I noticed that the 'Neutral Safety Sw' nots list '1' as stock, but the scaler is populated with '0'.

I've made the base changes I need to the stock tune and have uploaded it to my QH, so tomorrow, I'll see how it runs the car.
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Re: FBFG2 - All 99-04 Mustangs & 99-03 F-150

Unread postby decipha » Wed Oct 14, 2015 1:51 pm

in those bins the vid's are blank so it should be all ff's

pump driver 0 is correct for a FPDM returnless style fuel pump, with pump driver set to 1 the pump output pw multiplier is used, ford only used an amplifier on the fuel pumps in the 03/04 luxury sedans (to my knowledge)

all of the stangs use an fpdm with a duty cycle sent from the ecu which would have a correct fp driver of 0
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Re: FBFG2 - All 99-04 Mustangs & 99-03 F-150

Unread postby decipha » Thu Oct 15, 2015 12:27 pm

cool all those changes made, new xdf posted on the original post
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Re: FBFG2 - All 99-04 Mustangs & 99-03 F-150

Unread postby decipha » Sat Oct 17, 2015 8:28 pm

if any of yall want the adx to datalog just let me know

Im not happy with it at the present time but it works great and has the inportant stuff there
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Re: FBFG2 - All 99-04 Mustangs & 99-03 F-150

Unread postby YaBoyHalle » Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:16 pm

on behalf of my friend building an 03 cobra, i'm very excited with this.
is the flex fuel logic operated by a switch or does it move into spark tables on its own?
also, is there a way to relieve some power while shifting to shift smoother under WOT?
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Re: FBFG2 - All 99-04 Mustangs & 99-03 F-150

Unread postby decipha » Sun Oct 18, 2015 6:30 pm

flex fuel uses the kams and knock sensor to switch between e85 and pump gas profiles but i havent finished it yet

I can write a limiter function so when you stab the clutch while moving it will active the 2 step no prob
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Re: FBFG2 - All 99-04 Mustangs & 99-03 F-150

Unread postby ShadowDrake » Mon Oct 19, 2015 11:19 am

decipha wrote:if any of yall want the adx to datalog just let me know

Im not happy with it at the present time but it works great and has the inportant stuff there


Please do, I'm anxious to switch off BE. I had it going on my in-car PC somehow where I disconnected the license dongle accidentally while it was loading and it loaded up and worked whether the dongle was attached or otherwise (which was convenient as it disconnects with key off).

I was able to make changes and pull the thing from the car to work on the tune outside of the car without digging out the stupid dongle from behind the panels.

Then windows update struck and it rebooted and I haven't gotten it to do that since :(

I've got a handful of questions about the file (MAF transfer function - there's a scaling function in console which must be halved if you use the doubler), the MAF transfer function itself, and another MAF function. If I enter my airflows into the transfer function they never seem to stick. I haven't actually tried flashing the file yet. I'm most likely just going to flash a tune with BE, read it back off with TunerPro, apply the fuel trim patch (which is awesome btw) and see if the car runs fine.

But I don't want to clog this up with questions from an amateur so I'll leave it to just that one
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Re: FBFG2 - All 99-04 Mustangs & 99-03 F-150

Unread postby decipha » Mon Oct 19, 2015 1:47 pm

(i attached the .adx to the original post, just like the xdf the password to open it is decipha) -removed

I still gotta bunch of work to do to it but its useable

the 3 maf transfer are all the exact same just displayed in different ways

the maf transfer in kg/hr under engine configuration is the only you'd normally use

the maf transfer in airmass under MAF is there for those that rather use airmass instead

and the maf transfer raw in console PIDs is just raw hex so you can copy and paste your maf transfer from a stock binary file if need be

A little tip, if you pause your mouse over the parameter it will give you the comments, you can press F10 to bring up the comment window if it keeps disappearing on you

you needn't worry about the others just the kg/hr under engine / configuration
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Re: FBFG2 - All 99-04 Mustangs & 99-03 F-150

Unread postby decipha » Wed Oct 21, 2015 12:14 pm

I figured some one would have something to say about the adx by now??

anything? anyone?
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Re: FBFG2 - All 99-04 Mustangs & 99-03 F-150

Unread postby J-man » Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:21 pm

What hardware codes for EECVs can this be loaded into?
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Re: FBFG2 - All 99-04 Mustangs & 99-03 F-150

Unread postby decipha » Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:50 pm

All 99-04 Mustangs V6s, 02-04 V8s & 99-03 F-150

I have a pretty long list of codes ill post tomorrow
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