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Unread postby Bad86capri » Fri Sep 23, 2016 10:06 pm

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NAME: bill riffey
FORUM USERNAME: bad86capri
TELE#:
EMAIL: b.riff14@gmail.com
DATE: 9-23-2016
LOCATION: Knoxville,tn
ESTIMATED ALTITUDE (FT):
POSTAL ADDRESS (FOR SHIPPING ONLY):

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PRE-TUNE CHECKLIST VERIFIED [Y,N]: y
IS VEHICLE 100% READY TO BE TUNED [Y,N]? y
LIST ALL DEFICIENCIES/COMMENTS BELOW:


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VEHICLE YR/MAKE/MODEL: 1986 capri
VEHICLE WEIGHT:
ECU CODE: a9m
J3 DEVICE (QH,Tweecer,etc): qh
PRIMARY VEHICLE USE (street,strip,etc): street/strip
MINIMUM IDLE RPM: 800
MAXIMUM ENGINE RPM: 6700
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TRANSMISSION TYPE [AUTO,MANUAL]: manual
Gear Ratios: 1st: 2nd: 3rd: 4th: 5th:
REAR WHEEL TIRE SIZE:
REAR GEAR RATIO: 3.55
TQ CONVERTER STALL SPEED:
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INJECTOR SIZE/BRAND/COLOR: bb302 30lbs red
INJECTOR PART NUMBER:
ADJUSTABLE FUEL PRESSURE REGULATOR [Y,N]: y
BASE FUEL PRESSURE: 40
FUEL PUMP SIZE [LPH]: 255
MASS AIR FLOW SENSOR TYPE: c&l
MAF TUBE/HOUSING SIZE: 80mm
MAF/INLET PIPING SIZE: 80mm c&l
MAF CALIBRATION SIZE: orange tube
MAF CALIBRATION VEHICLE:
MAF CALIBRATION [GT or COBRA]:
ADDITIONAL MAF NOTES/COMMENTS:


***IF MAF FLOW SHEET IS AVAILABLE, SEND WITH INFO***
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EXHAUST HEADER TYPE [LONGTUBES/MID/SHORTY]: longtube
EXHAUST CROSSOVER TYPE [X,H,Y-PIPE]: h-pipe
EXHAUST PIPE SIZE, SPECS, & COMMENTS: 2.5"

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FUEL TYPE OCTANE & GRADE: 93
FUEL QUALITY [POOR,FAIR,AVG]: avg
METH INJECTION GPH & ACTIVATE LBS:
N2O SHOT / NOZZLE SIZE:
o2 SENSOR AGE & MILEAGE: bosch not sure of miles
WIDEBAND PRESENT & TYPE: plx sm-afr
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CYLINDER HEAD BRAND, MODEL# & SIZE: older twisted wedge
STATIC COMPRESSION RATIO: 9.6
ENGINE BLOCK SPECS: stock block .030 over
CUBIC INCH DISPLACEMENT/LITERS: 306
CAM SPECS: Anderson b3
Intake Lift: .542 Duration: 218 @.050 Centerline: 112
Exhaust Lift: .542 Duration: 224 @ .050 Centerline:
CAMSHAFT COMMENTS:


***IF CAM CARD IS AVAILABLE, SEND WITH INFO***
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POWER ADDER TYPE [Turbo,SC,n2o]:
TURBO/SC MAKE/MODEL#:
TURBO SIZE & AR /PULLEY SIZE:
#s BOOST:
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IGNITION COIL TYPE: msd
DISTRIBUTOR TYPE: stock
PLUGS BRAND, ITEM #, and GAP: autolite 3924 .040
PLUG WIRES, SIZE, BRAND & AGE: 9mm ford racing
IGNITION BOX TYPE & AGE:
***BASE IGNITION TIMING MUST BE 10 BTDC***
IS BASE TIMING 10 dBTDC [Y,N]?: y
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ELECTRIC FANS PRESENT [Y,N]: n
COOLANT THERMOSTAT TEMP: 180
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LIST ANY ADDITIONAL VEHICLE DETAILS/COMMENTS/NOTES BELOW:

these are the first logs that ive had a chance to do. looking for any advice
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Re: first datalogs

Unread postby decipha » Sat Sep 24, 2016 10:16 am

what issue are you having?

I noticed you have a wot log, whats your lambda and spark at wot?
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Re: first datalogs

Unread postby Bad86capri » Sat Sep 24, 2016 11:35 am

I'm pretty sure it's real rich at wot. But the biggest thing is just help with what I'm looking at. This is my first time actually datalogging so I guess i just need advice on what to do next. I finally figured out the datalog review on tunerpro. Is there any way to look at the rpm above 4800? That's as high as it shows on the graph. Thanks again for all your help!
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Re: first datalogs

Unread postby decipha » Sat Sep 24, 2016 11:59 am

whats the fuel error at WOT ?

there is an RPM box that shows the actual digital rpm, are you using the realtime view?
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Re: first datalogs

Unread postby Bad86capri » Sat Sep 24, 2016 12:17 pm

1.14 to 4500rpm and 1.24 above 4500 rpm
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Re: first datalogs

Unread postby Bad86capri » Sat Sep 24, 2016 12:19 pm

Is there anyway to change the afr reading to a lambda reading so it matches the same format as lambse?
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Re: first datalogs

Unread postby Bad86capri » Sat Sep 24, 2016 4:44 pm

Another question. During a datalog session does it record everything?
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Re: first datalogs

Unread postby decipha » Sun Sep 25, 2016 11:26 am

if using tunepro then yes it records everything and should already be set for lambda

where did you get your adx file from?
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Re: first datalogs

Unread postby Bad86capri » Sun Sep 25, 2016 1:40 pm

The home page of this site. It was reading in afr. I think i figured out how to change it but haven't had time to mess with yet today.
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Re: first datalogs

Unread postby Bad86capri » Sun Sep 25, 2016 2:53 pm

Something that has me a little confused with fuel error. Cam i go by the fuel error on the datalog or do i still have to calculate it using lambse and lambda?
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Re: first datalogs

Unread postby decipha » Sun Sep 25, 2016 3:21 pm

both should be the exact same
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Re: first datalogs

Unread postby Bad86capri » Sun Sep 25, 2016 5:56 pm

Ok. Why do people still calculate their fuel error instead of using what the datalog days when Dialing in their fuel? Or am i missing something? Like i said earlier im new to this so I'm trying to learn everything i can. I did go in today and adjusted the maf curve.

The curve i datalogged has some points that are not on the maf transfer. Is it better to adjust the voltage curve to match the datalog or keep it like it is? I'm using fox 30lbs transfer.
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Re: first datalogs

Unread postby decipha » Sun Sep 25, 2016 6:54 pm

I put that fuel error gauge in there myself, its only valid when in closed loop

I dont understand what you mean by points not on the transfer? Can u elaborate?
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Re: first datalogs

Unread postby Bad86capri » Sun Sep 25, 2016 8:50 pm

On the transfer for fox 30s the voltage side is in .2v increments. The datalog that i have has some voltages that either in between those or close. The question i had is can i replace the voltages to match what I'm getting our just get it close?
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Re: first datalogs

Unread postby decipha » Sun Sep 25, 2016 9:11 pm

neither you have to interpolate
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06 Chrysler 300 AWD

Re: first datalogs

Unread postby Bad86capri » Mon Sep 26, 2016 7:15 am

Question about load. I put in the load numbers i was getting during datalogging. But i noticed the load seems kind of high. Around 120 at 6000 rpm. Is this normal?

Have you had a chance to look at logs i posted?
Thanks again man you've been life saver on this!
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