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Nope! Moates just replied back and NO MORE QH and F3V2.

Scoop up the 6600 while you can. They're being phased out too.

Neald wrote: ↑2022 Nov 22, 17:28 So just to clarify, the only thing currently needed to write a tune to the ECM is a sct6600, a moates jaybird and a tuning software such as TunerproRt?

Correct.. 1986-2004

Neald wrote: ↑2022 Nov 20, 10:07 Is the sct 6600 more similar to the Moates f3? Or the quarter horse in function?. I'm trying to find more about the device but the website is vague. Is there an interface cable to connect to a laptop? Is it compatible with TunerproRt?

F3V2. It uses the same Latice chip. Read/Write is exact.

Jaybird and Burn2 work in Tunerpro, and both read/write the 6600.

Sevensecondsuv wrote: ↑2022 Nov 16, 11:57 I thought I read somewhere that discontinuing the quarterhorse was due to no available source for the specific chip it uses for the foreseeable future. Same with the F3V2. Until Moates says why, we're all just guessing.

I know the switch was discontinued for that, but why is the other Honda, GM, Ford Hardware; and Various software discontinued too? I'm hoping its just parts.

red5.0fogger wrote: ↑2022 Nov 16, 08:42 I think the software will be hard to stop, but they could make aftermarket tuning components illegal to manufacture.
I think the push for electric cars kind of flows with giving us a fence or geofence where we can travel or not travel past. Digital currency would also work hand in hand with that.

Great.. Next my SCT stuff will go after the next "Forced Update" like 2019..

red5.0fogger wrote: ↑2022 Nov 16, 06:20 No, by the looks of it they EPA ( da gub-mint) will go after ALL tuning setups.

Even freeware? Like XDF developers too?

Seems to be out and discontinuing the F3V2 and QH.

SCT 6600 will work but who knows how long before they're dumped.

Heads up

All I'm saying is this works for me on a 2 bank. DW1200, BA3000 93 octane.

My CDBA4 XDF has old school scaling methods without the k-constant auto stuff done. Keep in mind the 4 bank you're using will have a different Manifold Volume and FPDM crap. Mines return.. also slower mhz.

AHISL = 39.96 LBS/HR - SCALED VALUE = 114.3119 LBS/HR actually in vehicle
ALOSL = 49.68 LBS/HR - SCALED VALUE = 142.1131 LBS / HR actually in vehicle
SARCHG = 0.0005418 OR 98.003 CID - OEM in mine is 280.348
MANIFOLD VOLUME = 1.8 - Factor yours based on xMul

BA3000 NON SCALED SCT VF VOLTS | LBS/MIN BA3000 SCALED @ 0.34958 (IF YOU DO 39.96 OLD AHISL / 114.3119 NEW AHISL) VOLTS | LBS/MIN

MBSVT wrote: ↑2022 Oct 24, 17:35 Not sure I follow. scale down hardware meaning the injectors?

Original injector/ new injector = scaling %

Lower SARCHG or CID by that ratio.

New MAF Y Axis by same ratio not X Axis.

Leave Injector Offset vs Battery Voltage stock.

Factor in all E85 variables as normal.

Hit up LWFM (Load w/failed MAF) and LWFM IMRC (if you have it) by same ratio.

FN040A or Inferred Air vs RPM (or whatever your function is called) by same ratio.

High and low slope should remain stock if ratio is met. Ratio injector PW and Breakpoint.

There's more involved but it should get you going in right direction.

The way I do it is---

Take Old Injector / New Injector = Scaling % multiplier - [EXAMPLE: 24 / 60 = .4 or 2.5 if you divide NEW / OLD]
Take the KNOWN NEW injector value and change the entered NEW INJECTOR hi and low scalars against your value. - [EXAMPLE: 60 * .4 = 24 or 60 / 2.5 = 24]
Old or Known New Injector Breakpoint gets addressed against your value.
Recommended to set the Injector Pulsewidth value to your % in injector change while scaling it out against your value, or set it to 0.
Take the STOCK MAF or MODIFIED MAF Transfer and change the entire Y Axis against your value. - [EXAMPLE: 46.77 LBS * .4 = 18.708 or 46.77 / 2.5 = 18.708 and so on]
If you are changing the MAF as well, ensure you change all NEW 30 points against your value on the Y Axis. This is important because even the NEW KNOWN MAF Transfer has to be scaled and adjusted as well.
Change the LBS/MASS and/or CID against your value.
Same goes with the Manifold Volume. Change it against your value.
Hit up FN040A or depending on XDF, Estimated Aircharge Vs. RPM and tackle the bottom 3 rows of the Y Axis with the value you got for starters. The rest of the Y Axis might need it too.
Then Load w/ Failed MAF and Load w/ Failed MAF IMRC (if you have that) get the same treatment to ALL values in the table(s).